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Richard Seeker 
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After a Death, Use of Taser in Canada Is Debated By IAN AUSTEN OTTAWA, Nov. 15 — A video recording showing an emotionally wrought immigrant dying after being hit with a police Taser at an airport last month has touched off a fierce debate in Canada on police actions in the case and the rules governing use of the weapon. The 10-minute recording, which was widely broadcast Wednesday night, was made last month by another passenger and initially seized by the police. It shows a Polish immigrant, Robert Dziekanski, being hit just 46 seconds after four members of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police arrived to subdue him at the airport in Vancouver, British Columbia. The recording also supports accounts from witnesses who said the police officers did not appear to be in danger when the weapon was fired at least twice. Mr. Dziekanski was the 18th person to die since July 2003 after being hit by a Taser in Canada, a country where the weapons may be owned only by police forces. Amnesty International estimates that in the United States, a country with roughly nine times the population of Canada, 280 people have died after being struck by police Tasers since 2001. Tasers can also be used by civilians in many states. Alex Neve, the secretary general of Amnesty International in Canada, which has called for a suspension of Taser use, said, “There is a very good likelihood that the Taser was used well before the situation called for it.” The federal minister for public safety, Stockwell Day, said in Parliament on Wednesday that he had ordered a review of the police use of Tasers in Canada shortly after Mr. Dziekanski’s death. Mr. Dziekanski, a 40-year-old construction worker, arrived in Vancouver on Oct. 14 to begin a new life with his mother. After a 10-hour delay caused by immigration processing, Mr. Dziekanski became upset when he could not find his mother, Zofia Cisowski, who waited several hours before returning to her home in Kamloops, British Columbia, under the mistaken impression that her son had not arrived in Canada. Unable to speak English, Mr. Dziekanski became distressed and began shouting in Polish, moving furniture around, shoving a computer off a desk in an arrival area and, at one point, throwing a chair. His actions soon attracted the attention of other passengers and security officials. The recording shows that when airport security officials first appeared, passengers could be heard shouting to them that Mr. Dziekanski did not understand English. Moments later, four members of the Mounties arrive in the waiting area wearing bulletproof vests. Mr. Dziekanski repeatedly shouted either the Polish word for “help” or “police,” which sound similar, before walking away with his arms raised in the air. There was a brief conversation followed by a loud sound, apparently a Taser shot, and Mr. Dziekanski fell to the ground screaming in pain. The recording captured what appeared to be a second Taser shot as three officers piled onto Mr. Dziekanski to subdue him. One minute and eight seconds after the police arrived, Mr. Dziekanski appeared to have stopped moving, and the recording ended shortly afterward. An autopsy showed no evidence of alcohol or drugs in his system, but was unable to determine a cause of death. The Polish government has sent two lawyers to Vancouver to investigate the death and raised the issue with Canadian officials and diplomats. After watching the recording, Piotr Ogrodzinski, the Polish ambassador to Canada, said he found the use of a Taser on Mr. Dziekanski to be excessive. “He was desperately in search of assistance or help,” Mr. Ogrodzinski said. “He did break a computer and throw a stool, but there was no gesture suggesting that he intended to fight anybody. Here was a very helpless person, a disoriented person.” When the police seized the recording at the airport from Paul Pritchard, who was returning home to Victoria, British Columbia, they characterized it as an important piece of evidence. Mr. Pritchard recovered the recording after threatening legal action and it was released it to the news media late Wednesday. A spokesman for the Mounties, Cpl. Dale Carr, said, “It’s just one piece of evidence, one person’s view.” A coroner’s inquest, which will not determine legal fault, has been ordered for the case. Some critics of the police are calling for criminal charges against the police officers. The case is being reviewed by an independent commission that investigates complaints about the Mounties. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/16/world/americas/16canada.html?em&ex=1195362000&en=d7cac1bee2c827a0&ei=5087%0A Public Execution By Taser Video Shows Cops Killing Immigrant With Taser UK Police Taser Diabetic In Hypoglycaemic Fit Sober Diabetic Man Tasered By Cops, Accused Of DUI Chicago Cops Taser 82-Yr Old Mentally Ill Grandma Citizens Guide To Surviving A Police Encounter - Vid
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Astrojewels Super Moderator 
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The police force are no longer taught and trained with any logic, they ‘shoot and ask questions later’, I in no way would ever defend the police force, yet the people who join are controlled through vaccinations and mind controlled that citizens are enemies, this is again a controlled manipulative thought from the illuminati. It structures we the ‘citizen’ to have negative thoughts to the force of policing, doing this to an elderly man makes us angry, yet it also puts fear into the population, therefore the general population that are shopping, driving or doing whatever see a police vehicle or officer and instantly have fear of ‘what might happen’. You have to look past your emotions of the occurrence, this actual event is very sad for all involved but one must look beyond the illusion of what it seems to be. It is this type of occurrence that opens the door for military policing, because the citizens who are blinded by the truth will demand change, and if you create the chaos you already have the solution!
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AndrewX Hyperspace Warrior 
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I hate to say this, but I feel there would have been MANY MORE DEATHS if the tasers weren't introduced because without them the cops would have simply SHOT the person in the same circumstance that they taser them in... and when the y shoot, they are trained to shoot to kill, not to simply subdue like shooting one in the foot or leg. So most of the taser shootings that have NOT resulted in death may well have if the taser wasn't used... if you see what I mean.
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Astrojewels Super Moderator
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I understand what you are saying Andrew X, and you are right, many years ago there were many shootings by the police. If they get rid of the Taser there will be another weapon, they could not ‘police’ without something it is just the way they are programmed.
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Sily Von Sily d'Wily du Eden MD 
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Richard wrote...280 people have died after being struck by police Tasers since 2001... Taser use on hyper people sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. Their body is already under stress -- heart beating a million times a minute, adrenaline pumping and then what happens? They are shot with a device that screws up their nervous system., disorients them, makes certain muscles not work. I know people can become both a danger to themselves and others. I've seen it many times. But there has to be a better way to protect the perp. and police. Is this all -we- can come up with? Guns and tasers? There's got to be a better way. There should be immediate stoppage of all use of tasers.
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Richard Seeker
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I don’t think in all cases cops would have shot the person if they didn’t have a taser. Like for example the student that asked John Kerry a question. I doubt cops would have shot him. I think cops are more likely to use nonlethal weapons than lethal ones when they can. Before cops had taser guns they would just use Billy clubs and mace when they could.
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Sily Von Sily d'Wily du Eden MD
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Add one more person to the list dead - yesterday in Frederick, Maryland ( the state I live in ) another man dies after encounter with taser. Story link here. Last edited on Mon Nov 19th, 2007 01:08 pm by Sily ____________________ "I heard the music, and I wrote to it. Some people beat drums. Some people strum guitars. It’s all in the music you hear." - HST |
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Astrojewels Super Moderator
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I agree silly that they need to look at who is the target, the Taser is not a lethal weapon unless the body is under extreme stress, usually the Taser would give a shock and the person can then be restrained, but when you are doing it to a person who is high on amphetamines or totally triggered from something- extremely anxious, the electromagnetic field sends off constant strong energies and if hit with a Taser constantly, the body goes into cardiac arrest. What could they use? And your latest post shows it is not stopping, but citizens must be aware not to give power to the illusion either.
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Sily Von Sily d'Wily du Eden MD
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Astrojewels wrote: ...What could they use?... What could they use? Well, I would hope that since this issue involves life and death issues involving both the Police and Public, something that is pretty important, that some great minds could gather to discuss alternatives that don't kill either the police or person out of control. But if you're looking for an answer right now from me, to come up with an alternative to tasers, I say this:
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Richard Seeker
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Another killing. It sounds like it's time to take away taser guns. Jacksonville police: man dies after being Tasered during struggle JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP) -- Jacksonville authorities say a man died after being Tasered during a struggle with police. A Jacksonville Sheriff's Office spokesman says an officer had pulled over the man's car. But when the officer approached it, he took off running. The officer caught up with him and during a struggle, authorities say the officer used his Taser to subdue the suspect. Rescue workers checked the man and cleared him to be placed in the back of a police car. The sheriff's office says he then became unresponsive. He was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead. An autopsy is planned. The man's name has not been released. It's not yet clear why he was pulled over. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FL_TASER_DEATH_FLOL-?SITE=FLTAL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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AndrewX Hyperspace Warrior
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Another killing. It sounds like it's time to take away taser guns. I second the notion, this is getting to be a disgusting joke and perversion on all human rights. How dare they continue with such barbaric practices??!!  This must cease at once... and the options Sily makes are a fine alternative that would not endanger anyone they are used on... and there's many more. This is a disgrace.
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Astrojewels Super Moderator
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I agree with all of you, I wish we did not even have to have law enforcement, I wish humans could control themselves in such a manner that authority was not necessary but in this current realism, I do not see that happening. The illusion is that most of the general public just believe what they see and are told, there is always two sides to the story of manipulation. So you have the ‘law abiders’ and the ‘law protestors’ but both send out energy to the action. The controllers want the law protestors to protest against the Taser, and the law abiders fear the criminal because they have totally no concept of what is making them tick, so they protest for a equally paralyzing weapon, years ago I remember people were getting shot over in the US, so they brought in the Taser. There will be so much conflict with the police and public that military policing will be the only alternative and perhaps a gun that fires tranquillizers like the game hunters use, they already have the answer.
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Polly Tree Hugger
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I don't even know if the police force in my small town carry tazers. They might. I'd like to ask one of them what they think of their use, even if they don't carry them. Perhaps the load can be turned down on them so that they are not so lethal when used? I'm not condoning them but what is the answer? People are killed every day by various means. We have criminals running the planet and criminals working for the criminals in charge, knowingly or not. Earth has been called a prison planet, hell, a place for undesirables from other parts of the galaxy and a place where souls with extreme karma come to work out their karma. Last edited on Tue Nov 20th, 2007 08:45 pm by Polly |
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Polly Tree Hugger
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I was informed my local police force does not have stun guns but they do carry pepper spray to subdue people. Here is a new article stating that stun guns are not killing all of these people: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071120230605.o5yo2nqm&show_article=1
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Diajin Hyperspace Warrior 
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Could i imply as to what it is these police officers do with their time, I understand most of the concept of catching a criminal is to obtain the money of paying for a crime as well as spending time with other criminals or convicts also what is the point of trying to fix violence with violence or even cause violence and call it means to contain problems and which problems are greater the use of violence and force have always been wrong why is it the need is felt to stop lesser things with something worse in stead of better and how is this perceived by other people. Last edited on Wed Nov 21st, 2007 06:21 pm by Diajin |
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Richard Seeker
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Another shocking video UT Man Tasered In Traffic Stop - Cop Shown Lying
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Astrojewels Super Moderator
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I wonder why they let these videos out into the public, when they know it will make people react, or maybe that is the reason why they do it. My question is how did he know the guy was speeding when he was behind?
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Richard Seeker
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I’m guessing Jared was able to get the video because he is planning on suing Utah’s highway patrol. Here’s a recent story about it. Man To Sue Highway Patrol After Traffic Stop Tasing The man refused to sign a ticket for allegedly speeding and after that a Utah Highway Patrol trooper tased him in front of his pregnant wife and baby. Now the man is planning to file a lawsuit against the Utah Highway Patrol. Jared Massey may or may not have been speeding but he was arrested when he refused to sign the speeding ticket, not knowing he had to. Now you can see it all unfold on Youtube. Massey says, “I thought he was going to go after someone on the other side.” Jared Massey says he was already slowing down as he approached this 40 mile per hour sign in a construction zone outside of vernal on September 14th. But then trooper John Gardner pulled him over. “How you doing, going kind of fast, license and registration.” Massey was asked how fast he was going. The two exchanged words we can’t hear because of traffic going by but after about a minute trooper Gardner goes back to his car, and returns with a ticket. Massey is asked to sign the ticket but refuses. Trooper Gardner asks him to exit the SUV. At this point, Massey says he thought they would talk about the circumstances. Massey fell flat on his back as he was tased. His pregnant wife, Lauren, came out of the car screaming. “I see this guy pull gun on me,” says Massey. “I thought it was a real gun.” Trooper Gardner had ordered Massey to turn around and place his hands behind him twice, and it is an officer’s prerogative whether to arrest someone for not signing a ticket. Jeff Nigbur from the Utah Highway Patrol says, “It’s easy for us to say this is what he should have done, but other hand could have felt very threatened.” The Utah Highway Patrol tells us it will speed up the internal investigation based on a complaint Massey filed two months ago. They will also look at the use of the taser. “We take using taser very seriously,” says Trooper Nigbur. But for the moment Trooper Gardner is still on the job and Massey thinks his demeanor at the end of tape says everything people need to know. Trooper Gardner is heard on the tape saying, “He was over there jumping around...I said, ‘naw, not going to play that game.’ I pulled out the taser, ‘turn around right now or I tase you.’ I tased him.” If Trooper Garner is found to have acted inappropriately it is highly unlikely he will lose his job. As for Massey, all charges except for the speeding ticket have been dropped. http://www.kutv.com/content/news/topnews/story.aspx?content_id=33fb7027-f63d-4414-9a9f-f815f4d4f302
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Astrojewels Super Moderator
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It is good that he is fighting this penalty, but fighting the police can be a long and heavy road, because they use their position to make life very hard, I wish him well because it clearly was unfair what was done to him. It was sad to watch his wife on that clip, she just wanted to help her husband and you could see by her reaction she just did not know what to do.
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Richard Seeker
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CNN interviewed Massey today and he said he used the freedom of information act to obtain the video from the highway patrol. It will be interesting to hear how his case turns out. Tasered Driver Thought Maniac Cop Might Kill Him CNN video
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