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Andrea Hyperspace Warrior 
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I have a few questions. Many of you may know I consider myself a Christian, but I am open to understanding life from every aspect, and I am open to hearing any and every point of view because I believe I am able to grow from diversity not from stagnation. Anywhoo, I have been on this Illuminati subject for many years and I have come to realize that the Illuminati are Satanists, Luciferians, or what have you. They BELIEVE in the "DEVIL". Now, I have not seen thr subject I am about to broach mentioned here on the Cafe so I am trying to be cautious...here we go . Most mind control is a result of satanic ritual abuse. That is one of the main ways to traumatize and shatter a child. Most victims of SRA, with alters, are trying to infiltrate churches (Christian churches) to prevent the work of God from inhibiting the goals of satan. Why is it that so many Illuminists care about Christian churches if Jesus isnt real? Why are so many victims of SRA Illuminati control finding security through Christ? Also, why isnt the SRA aspect of the Illuminati and DID mentioned by so many who are recovering victims? Is it possible that part of their programming is to believe Christ and the Bible are NOT TRUE? Therefore if they regain a certain amount of freedom, they wont get total freedom because total freedom only comes through Christ. I am only asking and speaking my feelings so I hope not to offend anyone. It seemed an interesting question to ask though. Dont be timid to share your feelings on this subject. I am not a person who condemns others because they believe differently than I do. I am asking because I really want to understand.
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Lion Hyperspace Warrior
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Well from what I understand, the 'illuminati' form of satanism is not a worshiping of satan. They do 'not' believe in the 'devil', It is more of a term used by theorists to categorize the aspect of what they do. Satanic Ritual is more of a sexual majick than anything referring to a 'devil' or 'satan' in a biblical sense. The energy that rises from these practices are what is sought, but has nothing to do with 'satan' in a religious sense, but more so on the manifestation aspects of it as stated that the energy of an 'orgasm' in a human is parrallel to the energy 'god' uses for creation. You also have to consider that the belief of recovering SRA's about being in satanic ritual could also be part of a program in their matrix to believe in the religious aspect of it. With regards to programming believing 'christ and bible' being not true, it would most likely be that they are programmed to believe that it is true, to cover the illumised program of the new world religion. Also - from 'As Ye Sow - so shall ye reap' from Stewart, it states that physical reality is created by the negative portion of god-mind, referring it to 'satan' as physical reality is the furthest away in the illusion of separation from god itself. Perhaps this is the reason illuminati worship 'satan' in this respect as its the creator of physical reality. Hope that helps from a differing point of view 
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Andrea Hyperspace Warrior
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Wow, Good info. I never thought of it that way before. If I understand you correctly you are saying that typical satanism is not what the Illuminati believe? So Illuminists really are not satanists then? If thats true why do many survivors refer to them as such, and not in the way you mentioned? Why are "demons" layered into their programming? I am not arguing but trying to understand. Either way it makes it even that much more confusing. The programming aspect is giving me a headache now. Its like "Maybe you are programmed to believe you are programmed but really you are only a little old lady having a bad dream" Its so much to unravel. Thanks Lion, you shed some light and gave me more to think about. I just read your quote and I had to make another comment because I see now why you were the first to comment. I need to understand this quote you have more. Can you refer me to a book or website to help. PM me if necessary thanks.Last edited on Sun Jan 27th, 2008 04:07 am by Andrea |
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Lion Hyperspace Warrior
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Satanism as in actual 'satan' worshiping (Biblical sense) is not 'that' big of a religion, however I read that the Church of Satan call themselves that just to 'piss of the ignorant christians'. Its more of an attack per say. However, there is a difference between Luciferians and Satanists. Can't remember what exactly, I think Luciferians are associated with the number '9', and Satanists are associated with the number '6'. One is 'left hand' the other is 'right hand'. (Baphomet imagary comes to mind) As I said with the survivors calling them 'satanists', well - what else would someone call it, its as evil as it can get, so associating it to the most 'evil' creation in a religious sense, its a suitable title to call them 'Satanists'. Also I doubt many SRA's know much about the Illuminati - so they would associate it to a more mainstream belief of a religious sense. The quote came from a Billy Meier book, I think it was what one of the Plaedians said to him.
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Andrea Hyperspace Warrior
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Actually, I know a local pastor that spends MOST of his time fighting against satanists. They are secretive and sneeky and you would never know HOW big of a religion it is because they portray themseleves as God-fearing Christians. Yet they infiltrate churches to cause chaos and confusion. Read the stories of ILLUMINATI survivors on the net and see how many of their parents were church-goers, pastors or teen ministry workers. Does it matter whether or not they understand the 'religious' aspect if they are satanists? Or do you have to be called "satanist" to actually be one? Dont most just go through the motions for 'the family'? Check out SVALI (who has since disappeared) Or Dan of Israel, or Zephnet. No not many Illuminati survivors are strong or bold enough to speak out in any way. But the ones I have seen have found strength through Christ.
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Lion Hyperspace Warrior
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We'll we will have to agree to disagree there - for anyone can find solice in ANY religion - not just christianty. Its the idea of what christ is supposed to represent that brings strength - nothing more, but as i said, any religion can provide this false sense of security.
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Moon Child Hyperspace Warrior 
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I have a question for you.Why do you consider yourself a christian? Have you studied the very bloody history of christianity? Do you know who created the religion called christianity,that is in no way based on the beliefs nor teachings of the persona called Christ.Do not in any way think I am attacking you.I cannot change your belief system,nor is that my goal,because change must come within.I am just trying to understand.
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Andrea Hyperspace Warrior
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Well actually I must say I have not studied the history of Christians. I am aware of the history of the Catholic church, which is very bloody and hate fueled (Illuminati). I have NEVER considered the Catholic church to be Christian. I may be wrong but to me Catholics, such as the POPE, are not Christians, they are Illuminati. I guess I call myself a Christian because I grew up in a very Christain family where we know Christ. I dont go to church anymore because I find them to be to fabricated and whorish. But I know what I feel, I know what has changed and helped me grow, and when I call it Christ...it works for me NO DOUBT. Therefore I consider myself a Christian. I know how you feel Moon Child because when I first joined we had a similar conversation. I do not feel you are attacking me. I LOVE to hear others opinions and ideologies. I am growing as a person and I would appreciate anyway you may be able to help me understand something I am not seeing.
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Mercy Now Hyperspace Warrior
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Andrea, A thorough study of all religions is lengthy but revealing. All major religions have alot of blood on their hands. That being said, it was the Jesuits that promoted and backed the crusades and the Catholic church ,as well as others, participated. There was,once, an idyllic time when all the major religions coexisted and prospered in harmony. Queen Isabella ,I believe it was, had a big hand in putting a stop to that. I feel that such atrocities were intentionally carried out and perpetuated not only to muddy the waters and confuse but to negate the teachings of people like the man who was/is referred to as Christ as well as other enlightened ones.Confused people,generally speaking , are easily led.From my understanding ,the man known as the Christ ,would not approve,to put it mildly, of the things done in his name. I don't think by the Christian Church standards I would be considered a Christian but I believe that the teachings of the man referred to as the Christ were meant to assist us in our existence on this planet and our ultimate journey through life anywhere. For What It's Worth Last edited on Mon Jan 28th, 2008 07:14 pm by Mercy Now ____________________ What profit a man to gain the whole world yet loose his soul? ALL THAT YOU HAVE IS YOUR SOUL |
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Astrojewels Super Moderator 
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Andrea, I understand your concept of being a good Christian; this can be translated in a diverse way, if you fear god, then you are being controlled by your beliefs, and if you fear the devil- same energy, and if you depend on Jesus to rescue you, or god to deal with you then again you are begin controlled, you are giving your power to a source, so you are being controlled. If being a Christian makes you a better caring person, I see no problem with your ideals; we all need to find balance. The universe and everything within is energy; the energy is unlimited to individual concepts and perception, yet the universal energy produces two major forces, these are negative-positive. Everything in life has these two properties, and it is the free will of your spirit that allows you to balance on both or take a side. The secret societies, churches and religion all promote the devil versus god theory; it separates the people and controls the collective thoughts. It creates war and more importantly mass ritual killings enhance the souls leaving the earth plane in clusters. Each war or mass killing produces so much more energy than those who die; it creates grieving energy of the families on the earth, which allows open doorways for the lower dark astral energy to enter, because many people grieve through anger when loved ones die through war.
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xan-i Hyperspace Warrior 
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It's interesting, the labels we choose to apply to ourselves and to others. However, very rarely are they of good use in understanding the core concept of Source. Labels simply do not apply... Yeshua appears to have been very well connected to this Source. However, the word 'Christian' was applied some time after the fact, and not as a term of endearment by those that used the word. Words are important - they hold power... The Source is not religious, neither does it have need nor reason for mediator. There is no such one embodiment nor entity that answers either to the name of Lucifer nor Satan - These names are symbolic of condition & imbalance. This in no way undermines the power of the words & symbols attributed to these conditions of being - all forms are capable of manifesting within the physical realm. The abuse of which you speak, committed by those whose mind-sets are of a lower vibrational frequency, is riddled with fallacy, so much so that many aspects need be dismissed as invalid due to the distortion & corruption inherent within them. This serves to confuse & to counteract attempts to unravel the truth & to gain a clear vision to a path towards antidote. Very often this leads a deprogramming individual to become attracted & attached to a form of the opposite extreme apparent. It should also be borne in mind that both dark & light aspects of this imbalance take the individual away from the center of responsibility. Ultimately, to believe in anything is to lose sovereignty over self - and this is not the purpose of Humankind.
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Moon Child Hyperspace Warrior
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Andrea wrote: Well actually I must say I have not studied the history of Christians. I am aware of the history of the Catholic church, which is very bloody and hate fueled (Illuminati). I have NEVER considered the Catholic church to be Christian. I may be wrong but to me Catholics, such as the POPE, are not Christians, they are Illuminati. I'm going to tell you 2 stories about Christ.These people also "know" Christ. My mother was not a very religious person.She went along with the religion she was born in,which was christian orthodox,but she was not a zealot.While going through menopause which wreaks havoc with some women,she thought she was dying.This was not due to any physical ailment,but her mental state.One day while thinking she was dying she "saw" Christ in the corner of her room,and he told her he was going to save her.The next day she "was saved".She came out of her "dying state" and from that day,Christ became her saviour.She believed that he can appear.That he is real.Of course,the real story is the great technology that exists that makes only certain people,who are suseptible to believe that Christ is able to materialize.These people have NWR programming,and they will play a part in hailing the "messiah" clone when he appears. Story #2 is about a man I met in my travels who was so zealously religious that he rebuilds old churches and keeps a huge cross and pictures in his house which serves as some sort of semi-altar.And,we talked and I told him my views,and I asked him how is it that he became so religious since the man also wasn't religious before.He told me that he had an awesome experience that changed his life.Due to a divorce and many problems he was having,including drinking,he wanted to die.And lo and behold one day,Christ appeared to him and told him that he wasn't going to die,and that he had a mission here to complete.And from that day on,poof,he became absolutely religious,because,he saw Christ.He talked with him. This is what technology does.And I do have the name somewhere of the technology that is used to project these images to people who are programmed with NWR programming.So,when you say you know Christ,I would say that you know technology because none of us "knows Christ".He was a person just like we are,and everything else about him was fabricated.If you do a detailed study,you would know. Another thing is,the power of our mind.We are capable of healing ourselves just by the power of our mind,and so,if we believe that Christ played some role in our life,then that's going to be what we believe in.But,we have to look at what lies behind the belief system that Christ played a role in our life,and since you are acquainted with certain techniques,there are many ways that you can check to see whether your belief system is based on a real event or a technological hologram,due to programming.
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Lion Hyperspace Warrior
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Moonchild - Are you referring to the Blue Beam Technology??
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Mercy Now Hyperspace Warrior
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As someone I know so aptly put it I will be" behind the curtain laughing and trying to keep from peeing my pants "should a cloned Christ be presented.;-)
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Moon Child Hyperspace Warrior
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Nope,I'm not referring to blue beam.It's the technology they use in a place called Medjugorje in Croatia,which is in the Balkans.It creates apparitions and you even think it's communicating with you. Mercy,just be careful,programmed sheep react with anger if you alugh at their beliefs based on fantasy.I have experienced this myself.
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Mercy Now Hyperspace Warrior
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MC, I've considered that .That's why I'll be behind the curtain. Hehe . In truth I wouldn't be laughing at the believers.No,no,no. But in the moment I kind of doubt they would understand that.I wholeheartedly agree with Karen's above post concerning energy. On the surface it may seem her points and mine don't jive with each other, but in reality ,all be it mine ,they do. Let's say they are successful in cloning Christ.In my view if it was the man that is referred to as Christ or Jesus and this man indeed possessed Christ Consciousness I seriously doubt that he would be capable of doing their bidding due to his energies. In truth I seriously doubt that due to the energies they could successfully clone the Christ. Again, for what it's worth. Last edited on Tue Jan 29th, 2008 06:37 pm by Mercy Now ____________________ What profit a man to gain the whole world yet loose his soul? ALL THAT YOU HAVE IS YOUR SOUL |
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Andrea Hyperspace Warrior
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Moon Child, Mercy Now , AstroJewels, Xan-I and Lion Thank you all for your VERY thought provoking comments. I must say I am looking to broaden my knowledge of God and who I am in the context of God, so I appreciate all your comments. I must say I feel a little well..... naive listening to your comments, but I am growing at my own pace I suppose. Xan-I- You have me a bit confused about not believeing in ANYTHING. I couldn't imagine living my life without believeing in anything. Moon Child- I never saw Christ physically. I just feel what I have been taught was His spirit within me. I guess to you Im a programmed, religious, zealot, but I dont think so. Oh, and I will take your advice and continue to use techniques to test my belief system. I guess thats why am I at the Hyperspace Cafe now instead of on the TBN website . I can truly say I am on a journey, and as it stands I am open to wherever my journey leads me. Mercy Now- I hear and and consider your point. AstroJewels- As always, what can I say? You are so tactful and wise its hard not to understand and appreciate your words. Ultimately, you are all helping me gage my concept of spirituality. Thanks! Last edited on Tue Jan 29th, 2008 09:53 pm by Andrea |
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Andrea Hyperspace Warrior
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I must also add a comment. I am not sure of the average readers age, but a woman I know of was a victim of NAZI controlled programing. She was sold as a baby into "it" yet has never been totally controlled due to her "I played dumb" attitude, her total rebeliousness, and her desire to be free. She WAS programed and she has alters, but she NEVER followed the rules and she, eventually, was considered useless as they attempted to murder her on numerous occassions. She survived and has an amazing story. My point is, she is one of the very first victims to speak out. She does NOT claim to be a Christian either, she just tells her story. Well, she said that THEY dressed up her, and other kids, like aliens for elite groups on many occassions. She names celebrities and politicians -the usual. She also said she believes THEY are trying to use this alien tactic in the same way they used to use the "devil" tactic years ago. ITS THE SAME THING ONLY A MORE MODERN AND "NEW AGE" LOOK. SHE believes this alien stuff is as much a hoax as the devil stuff If what she says is true, what does that mean to your belief system ("your" being anyone who feels challenged by this)?. If I came to you and told you all the same things about "aliens", that you say about Christ and the devil, what would you say? Just asking........... Last edited on Tue Jan 29th, 2008 11:25 pm by Andrea |
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Astrojewels Super Moderator
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Andrea, I would say I agree with your friend’s theory. Truth is the purest of energy, there is nothing more powerful than truth but during our lives we are told so much BS that our knowing begins to wonder of what is truth or deception. Your parents tell you not to tell the other kids things about your family, so from childhood you are ‘programmed’ to be deceitful, to hide the truth of who you really are, that is life! No one teaches you to be truthful to you, to your most powerful source of energy, they just tell you to hide behind a mask of society, to pretend to be something. Aliens, god, the devil, all religions, all belief systems and knowledge is based with truth, yet all of these also have equal amounts of energy of misinformation/deception, so that we remain confused and separated. I know aliens are true because I have had experiences with them, yet I also see very clearly the misinformation that surrounds the truth of the aliens. I personally never try to convince anyone of what I know because these are my experiences, not theirs. You are a truth seeker Andrea because you ask questions and the right ones I must add, this is how you find truth by having no fear in trying to understand how others think, a very valuable Virgo trait! Everything has a flipside, and the more truth that comes to surface, the more charlatans will be in place to confuse those who seek the journey of truth.
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