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Richard Seeker 
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RAW FOOTAGE OF CHICA BRUCE AND JOSEPH MATHENY AT THE INFAMOUS CAMP HERO, MONTAUK - EXPLORING THE 'UNDERGROUND' MONTAUK AND THE SECRET GOVERNMENT--This is a collection of Material from the book "Matrix III" (The Psycho-Social, Chemical, Biological, and Electronic Manipulation of Human Consciousness), from Valdamar Valerian INTERVIEW WITHAIR FORCE BASE: A MONTAUK MYSTERY EXPANSIONS INC --Montauk Project Survivor Stewart A. Swerdlow's Official Web Site. Swerdlow is the author of: Montauk: The Alien Connection, The Healer's Handbook : A Journey into Hyperspace, and As Ye Sow, So Shall Ye Reap. SANDS OF TIME--The Montauk Project. CAMP HERO AND MONTAUK AIR FORCE STATION--History, Technology, and Historic Preservation. Web site presents information documenting the history of Camp Hero and the Montauk Air Force Station. Information regarding the technologies deployed at the former base, in particular its diverse array of Cold War era radar equipment, will also be included. Additionally, this site will present information relating to future preservation and restoration efforts aimed at creating a historic site and museum. THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT - WHAT THEY DIDN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW--One of the A & E Channel's investigative TV programs has now found the tables turned on it in the most ironic fashion. "The Unexplained," a Sightings/Unsolved Mysteries" knock-off that deals with the paranormal and mysterious, has been the focus of an investigation led by one of its past experts. The findings of this investigation, conducted by a real life "Fox Mulder," firmly place "The Unexplained's" episode, "Strange Disappearances" in the same context as the Hitler Diaries and CNN's recent news debacle on nerve gassing Viet Nam deserters. ALIAS: CARLOS ALLENDE: THE MYSTERY MAN BEHIND THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT--Allende claimed that in October 1943 the United States navy had used Einstein's theories in an experiment that not only rendered a destroyer totally invisible but also caused it to be teleported from the Philadelphia dock to the Norfolk-Newport News-Portsmouth area and back again in a matter of minutes. THE OFFICIAL AL BIELEK WEBSITE-- 'What you are about to encounter is the most in-depth compilation of interviews with survivors of the Philadelphia experiment and Montauk project to date. The information comes from the memories of those who were interviewed. Because these projects are so secretive, gaining hard evidence is nearly impossible. However, that doesn't mean the projects never happened.' MONTAUK PROJECT AND PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT-- Included on this page some information that was posted to the snet mailing list, excerpts from Preston Nichols book on the subject. Also included other interesting information from notes I took of Al Bielek lecture in 1990. AL BIELEK AND HIS CLAIMS ABOUT THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT--The lecturer, Alfred D. Bielek, was born in August 1916 as Edward A. Cameron, son of Alexander D. Cameron, Sr. He attended several Universities, graduating with a Ph D. in Physics (1939). Enlisting in the Navy along with his brother, they eventually became directly involved in the "Philadelphia Experiment". The story of how he - Edward Cameron - was eventually removed form the project and became Alfred D. Bielek is a bizarre story of government brainwashing and manipulation, and destruction of a career. The story of his brother is still more bizarre as well as tragic. CAMP HERO--History of the camp and photos, overview of Montauk Project. MONTAUK PROJECT MAPS AND PHOTOS PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT AND MONTAUK EXPERIMENT ORION TECHNOLOGY AND OTHER SECRET PROJECTS PROJECT SUPERMAN --A 'victim' of the Illuminati's Super-Race Projects and Montauk Experiments Speaks Out. {the Andy Pero story, aka Mr.X... Nazi Mind control and the Montauk Projects...} THE MARS RECORDS-Biofeedback meter sessions where a man regained hidden memories of military service on Mars THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT: 60 YEARS LATER http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/conspire2.html#swerdlow The Montauk Project & Montauk Boys Ear Implants, Ear Candles, and Repilians (Mar. 28, 2004) Reptilians at Montauk By Michelle Guerin (Oct. 3, 2003) http://educate-yourself.org/ab/reptiliansatmontauk03oct03.shtml Alien/Human Hybrids By Michelle Guerin (Oct. 3, 2003) http://educate-yourself.org/ab/alienhumanhybrids03oct03.shtml Andy Pero & Project Superman (Oct. 27, 1999) http://educate-yourself.org/mc/projectsuperman1part27oct99.shtml Interview with Andy Pero, Montauk 'Superman' Programming Victim (Jan. 6, 2004) http://educate-yourself.org/mc/andyperointerview13jun00.shtml Project Superman: The Saga of Andy Pero By Eve Lorgen (Fall, 2000) http://educate-yourself.org/mc/andyperosagafall00.shtml Phoenix Undead: The Montauk Project and Camp Hero Today (Part 2) By John Quinn (Nov. 1998) http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/quin1198.htm Montauk Air Force Station-Active or Not? (Part 1) By John Quinn (Nov. 1997) http://home.nycap.rr.com/iraap/reports/montauk.htm The Philadelphia Experiment Debunking Al Bielek (Aug. 16, 2005) http://educate-yourself.org/lte/debunkingalbielek16aug05.shtml August 12, 2003, Significant Date in Philadelphia Experiment Saga (Aug. 12, 2003) http://educate-yourself.org/ab/significantdateinPXsaga12aug03.shtml The Philadelphia Experiment Day (Aug. 12, 2003) http://educate-yourself.org/ab/peterfarleyon12aug03andalbielek12aug03.shtml Debunking the Philadelphia Experiment Debunkers (July 15, 2003) http://educate-yourself.org/ab/debunkingphilexpdebunkers6dec01.shtml Anatomy Of A Hoax, The Philadelphia Experiment 50 Years Later by Jacques Vallee-1994 (July 15, 2003) http://educate-yourself.org/ab/anatomyofahoax1994.shtml http://www.educate-yourself.org/ab/ http://www.stealthskater.com/PX.htm http://www.projectscorners.com/montaukproject/
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Sariel Hyperspace Warrior 
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This story from Andy Pero is implanted memory. Stewart know this guy, and said many years ago that his story is part implanted, part imagination. And this Andy has tendency to violence and I think he is in prison.
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Richard Seeker
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I didn't know that, thanks for the info.
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Octahedron Hyperspace Warrior 
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Al Bielek's website updated: http://www.philadelphia-experiment.com/ with interesting links Last edited on Thu Jul 20th, 2006 06:48 pm by Octahedron ____________________ God-Man-Nature = Balancing will power |
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Richard Seeker
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Thanks for informing us about the update. 
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Rebel Hyperspace Warrior 
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Is anyone familiar with a website called bielek-debunked.com? It was put together by researchers Marshall Barnes, Fred Houpt, and Gerald Schelm to challenge statements made by Al Bielek on an Al Bielek-Michael Houtzage CD being sold at another Al Bielek website called bielek.com. The researchers do not deny that the Philadelphia Experiment occurred in the 1940's, but they present fairly conclusive evidence that Al Bielek fabricated his life story and his personal role in the Philadelphia Experiment. In effect they say he created a hoax, and that the stories of Preston Nichols, Larry James, and Duncan Cameron are not true either. Then the researchers take on the claims of the Wingmakers website and assert that the Wingmakers are a hoax too. It takes a while to read through all the sections at bielek-debunked.com, but I would like to hear comments and reactions from people here who do so. Thanks. Last edited on Sat Sep 23rd, 2006 08:31 pm by Rebel |
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Astrojewels Super Moderator 
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Revenge creates hate, and hate is an energy that holds great power. I believe that Al Bielek is telling the truth because when you watch his DVD’s he has resistance with what he is saying, always a sign of someone who knows they need to publicize information but fears ridicule, he also does not demand that you heed his words, he is simply providing his own knowledge for you to walk away and translate it. He is brave with his public awareness and has helped many people that have been involved with Montauk and is not out to make a quick buck, he is a major player for the puzzle of what they did to the minds of innocent people, and our awareness to what the government is capable of. And there are many people out there that have personally experienced what he claims, how many can be wrong?
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Astrojewels Super Moderator
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I can tell you from personal experience that once you start ‘opening your mouth’ on particular subjects your life becomes a roller coaster ride and you are under constant surveillance. Your life can become very difficult and this is why most people that have answers to our questions would rather stay silent, or they are puppets and tell people what they are told to say. The first thing they do to anyone who does speaks out, is to ridicule, or create a situation that makes them look corrupt or bogus. It is important to be suspicious of all people who claim to have answers, and I think the best way to analyze whether a person is true or a fraud is to look at those they have claimed to help, are they a mind-controlled follower or have others been able to balance their lives with the answers given by this person, also the oversoul will always lead you to situations where you will find answers. There are so many people out there that have been involved in experiments and have no clue, they know ‘something’ is not right, or they feel totally different to everyone else, most of these people end up in psychiatric homes on illuminati medication for the rest of their lives, it can be very sad.
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Moon Child Hyperspace Warrior 
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Ah,I have stories to tell as to what happened when I came to a popular website that a lot of people read and participated on,and I decided to tell them about all of this.And then one person showed up,who was so intent on taking me off the website.Even went so far as to obtain all sorts of info on me.I made it very clear to this person that if I ever found him in front of my house,he would not live to tell the story.So,he continued everything,but never dared show up in person.And this eventually ended when someone decided to open a website where he could be monitored,if he showed up.I am quite sure that he was a programmed person who was supposed to sabotage me.
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Astrojewels Super Moderator
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Moonchild, Your story is common and true that most of these people are cowards, however it can do serious damage to your reputation, there always has to be someone in the crowd who wants to disagree, and the general public do not realize the courage it takes to be honest and talk about ‘your experiences’, because you are simply telling your story in order to help others who may have nowhere to go with their experiences and you end up being punished for your kindness. I have learnt to be patient with universal law, the truth will always surface and those who are ‘puppets have their strings cut’.
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golf sierra Hyperspace Member
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bielek-debunked.com was not setup by an ex-business partner of Al Bielek. This domain is registered to me, and the web site is not about revenge. It was put up because Bielek's claims were just parroted on the web with nobody looking or asking for any evidence to support his stories. So a small group of interested people got together and decided to put Bielek's claims to a test, which obviously he failed to 100 %. That much about bielek-debunked.com. Cheers, GS
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golf sierra Hyperspace Member
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You might have mixed it up with bielek.com, which is owned by Michael Houtzager, a former busines partner of Al Bielek. They indeed separated long ago and Bielek claims that Houtzager had betrayed him. Last edited on Thu Mar 20th, 2008 07:52 pm by golf sierra |
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Richard Seeker
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Thanks for the correction about the site owners.
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Octahedron Hyperspace Warrior
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golf sierra wrote: You might have mixed it up with bielek.com, which is owned by Michael Houtzager, a former busines partner of Al Bielek. They indeed separated long ago and Bielek claims that Houtzager had betrayed him. I have a big article from Houtzager where he interviews the Swerdlows, and there it seems Houtzager gives the Swerdlows all room to speak. But years later, at many websites, it seems Houtzager also debunks the Swerdlows, but that's the internet, and it has to be investigated for sure what Houtzager is doing exactly.
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Octahedron Hyperspace Warrior
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golf sierra wrote: It was put up because Bielek's claims were just parroted on the web with nobody looking or asking for any evidence to support his stories. ??????? parroted ??? I see much more sabotage against anybody who wants to discuss things Bielek is telling about than parroting. golf sierra wrote: So a small group of interested people got together and decided to put Bielek's claims to a test, which obviously he failed to 100 %. Again ????? 100% ????? obviously ? ???? So, why then putting so much effort in to debunk Bielek instead of facilitating information, access and knowledge that brings more insights in what he is telling ? What counts for me is the intention to find the truth, debunking has no any value for me if there is no alternative serious explanation told by the so called debunkers..
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golf sierra Hyperspace Member
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@ Octahedron Parroted ? Yes, just do a quick search on google or yahoo and almost everything that shows up are transcripts of various Bielek interviews, copied over and over as well as quotes from books that he wrote together with Preston Nichols. And if the web site owners added some more text, it is just about taking Bielek's claims 100% for granted, no one asking for evidence. So, why then putting so much effort in to debunk Bielek instead of facilitating information, access and knowledge that brings more insights in what he is telling ? What counts for me is the intention to find the truth, debunking has no any value for me if there is no alternative serious explanation told by the so called debunkers.. bielek-debunked.com is full of sources and telling everybody how Bielek's claims can be disproved. We named our sources and told what we did to find out about Bielek lying. Read yourself. What else of "facilitating information, access and knowledge that brings more insights in what he is telling" do you expect to see ?? About the intention for thruth, yes that was exactly our motivation to put up bielek-debunked.com. We still don't hold enough information to clearly prove or disprove the existance of the Philadelphia Experiment, that is whether it really happened or not, however, Bielek never was a part of it and never was involved. That is for sure now.
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Rebel Hyperspace Warrior
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golf sierra wrote:
The bielek-debunked website did a good job of refuting Al Bielek's statements and claims, but not as good a job refuting the WingMakers website. Yes, some of the WingMakers' material is questionable, but other parts are fascinating. The WingMakers' and its sister website, Lyricus.org, are still going strong and continue to put up new material each year. Last edited on Fri Mar 21st, 2008 07:09 pm by Rebel |
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golf sierra Hyperspace Member
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You may not have read the section of bielek-debunked.com regarding the wingmakers fake in detail. See here December 2, 1998: WingMakers' Webmaster -- Mark Hempel's Posting http://www.caus.org/updates/cu120298b.shtml In this post Hempel is alleged to have revealed in a video art newsgroup that his web site is in fact an entertainment concept. (Note: Mark Hempel's posting can be read here: http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&selm=an_415220848 ) and look for the groups.google.com link. This email by Mark Hempel himself clearly identifies his web site wingmakers.com as fake or as marketing ploy. After reading this, one should not invest another minute in reading the stuff that is shown on wingmaker.com - Hempel clearly stated that "I created the site to be the blueprint for a film or TV series. It's taken 3 years to produce all of the content. I created everything you'll see on the site. It's completed integrated. I call this Immersive Multimedia Art Forms (IMAF)." Yes, some of the WingMakers' material is questionable, but other parts are fascinating. Well, it's not the question if it is fascinating or not, it's the question 'is it real or not'. It's not real, so why wasting time on it ? Forget about the wingmakers.... Last edited on Fri Mar 21st, 2008 08:06 pm by golf sierra |
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golf sierra Hyperspace Member
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In addition, do a lookup for the domain wingmakers.com, and you will find yourself that it is listed as e-commerce: Current Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC. IP Address: 216.149.120.143 (ARIN & RIPE IP search) IP Location: US(UNITED STATES) Record Type: Domain Name Server Type: IIS 5 Lock Status: clientDeleteProhibited Web Site Status: Active DMOZ 1 listings Y! Directory: see listings Web Site Title: Welcome to Wingmakers Secure: No E-commerce: Yes Traffic Ranking: 4 Data as of: 06-Feb-2006
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Octahedron Hyperspace Warrior
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golf sierra wrote: @ Octahedron I don't mean search with Google or so, I mean speak for yourself ! i.e. start a discussion on an average forum or even scientific forum, or straight : talk with so called "scientists"about Philadelphia Expperiment without a pro/anti-Bielek position, just THINK, and soon you will be banned, ridiculed, attacked or maybe worse .... !! Parroting versus free speach ? free talk is what counts, not the number of Googles statistics. Real free talks which are really relevant are NOT counted by Google and banned everywhere. I will never discuss with any mind-controlled scientist about PE or Montauk or so, because that's losing time. Bielek who is Bielek ??? That's part of mystery, timelines, persons, space are illusions; Yes, that's the core of the problem; we can't prove a thing with a theory (i.e official science) if the theory itself is uncertain or full of confusion.
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