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Richard Seeker
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Mystery Space Machines - Pt 6
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Sirian_A Hyperspace Warrior
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That is some interesting evidence ;-)
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Mystery Space Machines - Pt 7
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Richard Seeker
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Walson’s World Forgetomori You've read those stories on rense.com for the past month about a guy named John Lenard Walson who says his specially outfitted amateur telescope has filmed not only the International Space Station, but many “stars” in the sky that are in fact huge structured objects. Forgetomori gets to the bottom of it all: it appears that his name is not Walson, and everything is just-another-hoax. In short: guy named John Lenard Walson says he invented a new gadget capable of extending his amateur telescope resolution. Walson then says he could film not only the International Space Station (ISS), but that he discovered that many “stars” in the sky are in fact HUGE structured objects. Walson then asks, in a very thrilling manner to some, “Mystery Space Machines Above. Black Ops, Star Wars Or ET? Or All Of The Above?“ This has been going for over a month now, as Walson keeps uploading new videos, images and heightening the tension. But he never gets to the smoking gun. Probably because his name is not Walson, and everything is just-another-hoax. Let us start from the trivia. “Walson” intended to sell his footage, involved himself with fellow mystery sellers, but they ended up fighting. You can check some of the public name-calling here. Millions of dollars, Spielberg and such are things involved. But that’s not all. Less trivial is the fact that “Walson” seems to have been presenting videos from other people as if they were shot by him. Like an “orb” or even the much debated military helicopters that were harassing him at home. Those were in fact originally published on the Internet some years ago, by one Abby (”Bambi”) Parker. You can check more about UFO video piracy here. Or not. Apparently, Abby Parker is in fact Walson himself. Or not. Walson is Parker’s husband. Or not. Walson has a very sick wife, who wasn’t Parker. Or not. There’s much confusion and embarrassing excuses given, but this is essentially trivial. Even if the helicopters videos are indeed real, filmed by whomever claims to be harassed, they would be no mystery. At least according to the definitely not-debunkers folks at the AboveTopSecret forum. Springer, from ATS, claims that a license plate of a van in the video could be traced back to a company that is located near a military airbase. That, along with the refusal to disclose any actual details of their methods, led to the expulsion of one of Walson’s spokespersons (or Walson himself, who knows). The whole case is now tagged as a HOAX on ATS. Not happy with so many embarrassing moments, Walson actually went to the length of recording an interview with an astronomer. Only thing is that he didn’t tell the astronomer he was being filmed, and then edited the interview to make it look like it supported his claims. The astronomer was not very happy about that. But anyway. All these things are trivial. The fact they are evidence that “Walson” is a liar, crank and similar adjectives shouldn’t be relevant if he did in fact create something capable of doing what he claims. Unfortunately, he didn’t. Walson claims he uses an eight inch Meade telescope to shoot his videos. He says the giant machines are “fixed” in the sky. That he can record them in plain daylight, at noon. Or that he can record sounds from the machines in space. If this last claim didn’t ring any skeptical bells for you, watch more Alien movies, because in space nobody can hear you scream. In fact all of the previous claims are more or less impossible. Photographing the ISS and satellites is very possible, though. And this may be the clearest evidence of Walson’s hoax. Read this article on the NYT about amateur enthusiasts who actually track and image orbiting objects. And then, check the video below: Amazing shots of the ISS by Mike Tyrrell and Phil Masding, see more on Tyrell’s website. Now, compare it with what Walson claims is the ISS: Walson’s revolutionary, status-quo shattering, new super-secret invention actually produces worse images. Which means that if there were “giant machines” on space, you would expect amateur, noted, conventional astronomers to spot them much earlier. And Walson’s images are not only worse. That ISN’T the ISS at all. Which leads us to the crucible question of how he creates his videos. There are many possibilities, but someone already managed to reproduce very similar images. Without aiming above. In fact, “waveguide3″ suggests he recreated the videos using models made with aluminum foil, shot at a distance and distorted with mirrors and glasses. And he actually shows: check his three videos, titled “S.L.O.W.” http://forgetomori.com/2008/ufos/walsons-world/
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Richard wrote: Walson’s World Forgetomori Richard, do you think the MPEG footage of John Lenard Walson is authentic or fake?
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Richard Seeker
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It sounds like its fake. 
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GeeGee Hyperspace Warrior
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Gridkeeper, a promoter of Walson's work was banned from ATS for posting these videos. They were labeled a hoax over there. But then again, even Billy Meier threads, with his mountains of evidence are often labeled "hoax". People over there seem overly skeptical/dogmatic. Gridkeeper has been accused of being John Lenard Walson, although he recently posted a video on youtube as proof of they being two different people. If anyone wants more info on Gridkeeper: http://youtube.com/user/GRIDKEEPER Also, he is also a close friend of James Casbolt(ex-MI6), and I THINK he's the webmaster for his site, not sure though. Last edited on Thu Feb 14th, 2008 06:41 am by GeeGee |
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Richard Seeker
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Look up Scooby, it's the Mystery Space Machine! by Lesley Have you heard of John Lenard Walson's space machines? Chances are that if you frequent Rense.com or keep up on Ufology or conspiracy news you have. Otherwise you likely haven't. We aren't talking about Stephenville here, this is not a story picked up by the mainstream. The short story is that Walson claims to have invented some sort of gadget that improves his telescope resolution and that he discovered some stars were actually large structured objects, mystery space machines, which he took photos of and video taped. While I have linked to Rense and Walson's photos and articles at my blog The Debris Field, I never commented on them because the story seemed fishy to me from the start. I can't point to any certain thing that made me feel that way, I just did. Then on Feb 11th the blog Forgetomori, they came out with an article debunking the entire Walson story, or seeming to, perhaps Walson can explain away such things but he hasn't yet. It has come to my attention that some consider Forgetomori a debunker blog. I have never really gotten that feeling about it. Yes, they did some debunking on Walson, but they also had some very good evidence. It wasn't done like most debunking blogs that give speculation instead of evidence. Example: Those who try to pass off anything seen in the night with large eyes as only an owl, when there is no real evidence that is what it was. Excuses like weather balloons, plasma balls, hedgehogs and on and on, with no real evidence. That is what most debunking blogs consist of. Enough about that. Regan Lee writes at Orange Orb: I just wonder at the expended energy in continuing a saga like this. What's the payoff for him/her/them? (I suspect there's more than one person involved.) That is always a good question. According to the Forgetomori article: Let us start from the trivia. "Walson" intended to sell his footage, involved himself with fellow mystery sellers, but they ended up fighting. You can check some of the public name-calling here. Millions of dollars, Spielberg and such are things involved. But did he or them do it with that intention? Given the track record of such things making big money, which except for maybe alien autopsy is zero, I can't imagine that was the goal from the beginning. Who knows though, maybe these people were stupid enough to think you could get rich by just selling DVD copies? Then there are some who think the entire thing was a disinformation program. I don't see what that would have accomplished, but I suppose anything is possible. Over the years, I have come to the conclusion that hoaxes are normally concocted for attention. I know it is hard to believe that some people are so desperate for attention that they would want it for something entirely fake and that will probably be found out as a fake, but really there are people like that. Look at the things people will do to be on TV. Do they want to be on TV to express their deeply held beliefs or somehow make the world a better place? No, they want to be on TV for attention and they will suffer any humiliation to get that TV time and attention. Aside from the perplexing question of why some humans enjoy creating such hoaxes there is the perplexing reactions within Ufology. Most people, myself included think it is sad that such things happen, but since we know and expect such things it is really no big deal. Life goes on. Then there are those who get really bent out of shape about hoaxes. I mean downright angry. Normally the latter are people who are new to Ufology and haven't observed these hoaxes over many years. Some of the older people get bent out of shape about it, but not many. UFO hoaxes are as old as Ufology. Hoaxes and frauds happen in all types of research and in all aspects of life, not just Ufology. Certain people who use examples of a few well known hoaxes (I don't think the mystery machines will ever be in that category) to not believe in UFOs, bigfoot or anything esoteric, would find some other excuse if that one were unavailable. Hoaxes are not their true reason for not believing UFOs exist. Besides that, when we become too concerned over people who don't want to believe or too worried about things that we think are hindering their belief, we become fundamentalists. I think it is Greg Bishop who calls certain people fundamentalist skeptics, they are the skeptics who aren't really skeptical, they feel it is their duty to convince everyone that such things as UFOs do not exist and feel everyone should believe as they do. Maybe I am weird, but I don't care about people not believing in UFOs, or anything else for that matter. Sure the fundamentalist skeptics are annoying, but I certainly am not on a mission to convert them or anyone else. I do not feel it is my duty to convince anyone of anything and I don't feel hurt or angry if they aren't interested or think all of Ufology is silly because ufos don't exist. It especially doesn't bother me if they use hoaxes as their excuse for thinking that way because it shows me that they are not even interested enough to check out all the evidence before making up their minds. Hoaxes come and go, most of them entirely unknown to those outside Ufology. They may muddy the water a tiny bit for a short time, but they really aren't anything to get upset over. They don't hinder getting to the facts for anyone who is truly interested in Ufology and therefore willing to take the time and really they are pretty easy to spot from the very start. To wrap up, I have say that in a sick sort of way I enjoy the hoaxes. As I said, they are normally pretty easy to spot and there is just something fascinating about them to me. That someone would take so much time and effort to create faked images and come up with some elaborate story that they must know will eventually be found out as a hoax is totally fascinating in a weird way. Someone actually put a lot of time into writing those horrible and long Serpo entries. Amazing! Humans really are fascinating creatures. In that example fascinating in a pathetic way, but fascinating nonetheless. http://www.binnallofamerica.com/gm2.19.8.html
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AndrewX Hyperspace Warrior 
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To wrap up, I have say that in a sick sort of way I enjoy the hoaxes. Hmmmmm... 
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Mystery Space Machines - Pt 8 A Rense.com World Exclusive By Jeff Rense 3-2-8 The efforts to discredit John Walson's astrophotography are intensifying. It seems rather obvious that certain powers do not want his material to proliferate...even to be seen and considered by those who are honestly skeptical. Up until now, Walson has been sending in edited pieces - not raw footage - of spacecraft he has videotaped. He has edited out all the zooms and pans and unnecessary video activity. This time, in answer to the debunkers - paid military and government, and otherwise - he shows us the full process of capturing a 'star' and zooming in on it...and revealing what it really is. One of the chief debunking efforts has come from a source who has made videos of handmade tinfoil 'spacecraft.' Using a couple of lights, and keeping the camera lens in soft focus, this source is claiming to have 'proven' John Walson's videos are faked. Unfortunately, the debunkers are not smart enough to figure out that Mr. Walson could present his video footage showing him fully zooming in and out on the objects in orbit above us. The debunker's claims are disabled completely by the following series of stills from a Walson video of a 'star' which, when zoomed in on, reveals itself to be anything but a star. There are also many actual stars to be seen behind the spacecraft in Walson's videos. John also reports that he is being continually hacked...and now has compiled complete records of the hacker's computers and IPs. It is interesting to note how far debunkers will go to smear the work of others. And then there are others who will simply steal the work of genuine researchers on the net and try to sell it for profit. These kinds of things happen all the time now. Theft and plagiarism are some of the lowest and most vile forms of human criminal behavior. Here now is a fascinating still frame sequence from another brand new John Walson video showing a typical 'star' in the heavens. You can then watch how, as he zooms in on it, the 'star' resolves progressively into an intelligently-made machine of some kind. See for yourself... http://www.rense.com/general80/myst8A.htm
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Mystery Space Machines - Pt 9 John Walson At Work Rense.com World Exclusive By Jeff Rense 3-5-8 In Part 8, we showed stills and a video of John zooming in and out on a 'star' in the night sky...a 'star' which resolved into a spacecraft when full zoom with the 8 inch Meade telescope was achieved. In further response to the government efforts to debunk his remarkable astrophotography, John had a friend go out with him on one of his near nightly sessions to videotape John at work high up on a hill with a town down below. He had the person pick out a bright 'star' above. John then acquired the 'star' with the scope and zoomed in on it. Here are some still frames from that video. The first two frames below show John fully zoomed in on a spacecraft but notice that he has removed the videotape from his camcorder attached to his Meade telescope. This demonstrates that an object is in the view field but that the camera cannot record it. http://www.rense.com/general81/myst9.htm
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Mystery Space Machines - Pt 10 Mystery Space Machines - Pt 11 Mystery Space Machines - Pt 12 Mystery Space Machines - Pt 13 Mystery Space Machines - Part 14 Mystery Space Machines - Pt 15 Mystery Space Machines - Pt 16 Mystery Space Machines - Pt 17 Mystery Space Machines - Part 18
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