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Iam_That_Iam Hyperspace Warrior 
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bhornsby: Since you are the one who introduce this person on one of the threads. I was wondering if you could shade some light about this person? A few years I stumble upon his works but didn't give it much attention... I have found some interesting links... Firstly, one of Val books shows a picture which resembles what Stewart describe about the Oversoul and Soul-Personality... http://www.cco.net/~trufax/graphics/m5g2.jpg Here are some more links... http://www.cco.net/~trufax/ http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/valerian.htm http://www.goodsky.homestead.com/files/deception2.html He sound interesting...:thumbsup: Last edited on Fri Oct 14th, 2005 04:23 am by Iam_That_Iam ____________________ My awareness is NOW expanding exponentially, efficiently and effectively. "I will not Fear. Fear is the mind killer. I will face my Fear and let it pass through me [, and up to my Oversoul]." --- quote made by leto, taken from the Children |
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Richard Seeker 
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ITI, I’ve read a ton of stuff by Val and I have his Matrix book. Val’s stuff is a mix of truth and disinfo. Here’s his site http://www.trufax.org/
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bhornsby Guest
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Here's a brief snip from http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_valdamar_valerian.htm: " About Valdamar Valerian Valdamar Valerian (John Grace) has researched alien phenomena and interaction with human beings since 1969. He spent 18 months in Southeast Asia from 1970-71 as a combat photographer, where he saw much UFO activity. After spending four years in England from 1980 to 1984 he gathered all the top research at his disposal and released what became known as ’The Krll Papers,’ forerunner of the 381-page book, ’The Matrix’, published in 1987. He began networking with researchers worldwide and started an organization known as Nevada Aerial Research Group (NAR) Between 1988 and 1989 he functioned as Nevada State Section Director for MUFON. In 1990 he was appointed interim Associate Director for UFO Contact Center International and was a member of the Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization. In 1988 NAR began issuing a small newsletter detailing research findings. By 1990, this newsletter became known as ’The Leading Edge’ and has grown to a monthly 100-page publication. The massive 581 page work entitled MATRIX II was released in 1990. In April of 1991, NAR moved to Washington State and was renamed as ’Leading Edge Research Group’. Valerian has a degree both in Civil Engineering and Psychology and had significant input into Nippon Television investigations on alien activities, the research that stimulated the production of the 1989 KLAS award-winning program entitled ’UFO’S: THE BEST EVIDENCE’. More information: Email: val@trufax.org Website: http://www.trufax.org" =-=-=-=-=-=-= He is interesting but I believe his stuff has to be taken piecemeal because of some issues I see with him like his spurious connection to Drunvalo Melchizedek (http://www.drunvalo.net/) and the so-called "Flower of Life" material. The two documents I've linked to below on Orion Tech also discuss Montauk and are some of the more fun reads: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/valdamar_valerian/esp_valdamar_valerian_0.htm#orion_technology I do not trust John Grace (Val Valerian) but some of his stuff is worth checking out to get a full and varied scope on some of the info available. You'll also see a few comments about the blonde Sirians here. (I am not endorsing the material so let the buyer beware.) - B Last edited on Fri Oct 14th, 2005 04:35 am by |
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Richard Seeker
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I agree about that Flower of Life BS. Sounds like you have you understand Val’s material very well. Basically any info that comes out of Yelm, you have to take with a grain of salt. Yelm is a major programming center.
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William Moderator 
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We have studied trufax , and asked Stewart about this site in the past. Mostly Disinfo....... And i believe most of the info there comes from Brookhaven. Im not for or against just telling what ive heard.
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Moon Child Hyperspace Warrior 
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Is Valdamar Valerian also called Val Thor?
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William Moderator
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Hi Moonchild, Val is not the same as Val Thor, .. You seem to have a nice attitude, but i bet you have been through alot. I try to keep a nice attitude but its hard at times. Any secrets to help us or thoughts to feel better about ourselves? peace
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Moon Child Hyperspace Warrior
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William wrote: Hi Moonchild, Val is not the same as Val Thor, .. Hi,thanks for the input.I was sure it's the same person.Yes,I have been through a lot,especially considering who I am and what I used to have to do.I look upon the time to come,as an adventure,because I have come to the point where my mind is so strong that I can go into alters and get activated and come out of it.You must first sit down and learn about yourself.How has all that you have learned affected you,what are your fears,and why do you have them,why do you feel the way you do about yourself.You are here on a learning mission.You have the opportunity to change things you feel about yourself.Did you perhaps find out what is the purpose of you incarnation?
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Octahedron Hyperspace Warrior 
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Stewart warned his audience for Val Valerian in the Simultaneous Existences DVD. Illuminati New-Age disinfo agent. Also check the Q&A at Expansions Inc. website.
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William Moderator
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From http://www.expansions.com forums. Val Thor was a real person. Venus is occupied by Reptilians! They live in domed cities that are protected environments. Val Thor is a Reptilian in disguise. They are not here for our best interests!
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Jambo Hyperspace Warrior
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Firstly, one of Val books shows a picture which resembles what Stewart describe about the Oversoul and Soul-Personality... http://www.cco.net/~trufax/graphics/m5g2.jpg Can anyone explain this quote from the original post? I too have wondered about this... especially when I ordered the Hyperspace Language DVD, and when explaining Oversoul, Stewart sketched almost this exact picture from the cover of Val Valerian's Matrix 5 book.
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webkahmik Hyperspace Warrior 
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Thought I would chime in briefly to say that "Leading Edge" was one of the first sites I came across (way back in 1997) that touched on alot of these topics. I am not necessarily defending Val or anything he purports. I did however first read the Alex Collier material on his site which I immediately discerned was the most compelling and resonant data he presented there. So I have to thank him for that at least. Comments? Opinions?
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Proph Hyperspace Warrior
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That picture disturbs me. I don't accept that y "oversoul" if I have one, looks like that, I prefer having a soul instead that isn't "over" me. Proph
____________________ "Do not be too timid or squeamish about your actions, all life is an experiment." Ralph Waldo Emerson |
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Mercy Now Hyperspace Warrior
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Proph,The term and concept of Oversoul never sat well with me either. I prefer Higher Self.
____________________ What profit a man to gain the whole world yet loose his soul? ALL THAT YOU HAVE IS YOUR SOUL |
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Jambo Hyperspace Warrior
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Oversoul, Higher Self or whatever you prefer, but the question still remains... which came first, the chicken or the egg? (just kiddin).. I mean Stewart or Val? One of them obviously got this picture from the other, or they both got it from some other common source. This disturbs me somewhat that neither will straighten this matter out for their respective readers. I have posted a question to Stewart's Q&A, asking in general about his awareness of Val's writings, as they seem to parallel some of the things he has stated, and it was not answered. Now, Stewart has stated that he discards all questions that have either been answered before, or that otherwise he feels aren't worthy of an answer, for whatever reason. So either he's answered these questions already, and I missed them, or he doesn't feel we(his readers) deserve an answer as to his association with, or at least his awareness of the similarities between his writings and Mr. Valerian's. If I missed Stewart's explanation/answer to these queries, maybe someone here can fill me in on this...would be much appreciated!
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GeeGee Hyperspace Warrior
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Stewart doesn't answer questions pertaining to other people anymore. He used to, but he has stopped that now. He only gives his thoughts on another person now if it is considered dangerous to that person mentally or programming/mind-control. I believe Val has also done an interview based on the Montauk project, and a lot of what he said was incorrect judging by what other Montauk survivors have said.
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Proph Hyperspace Warrior
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Hmm. That doesn't sit right with me. Anyone who hides anything, with any excuse, isn't representing the truth. Truth doesn't hide, ever. Honestly, I am not sure you can trust anyone that has been programmed by a government, no matter what they claim they did to become "free". With recent advances in science and the amounts of truth spreading around the net, it sometimes makes one wonder if they can even trust their own perception of reality at times.  Maybe we'll all wake up tomorrow and this was all a dream?I don't take anything found online at face value, I only trust someone (possibly) if I can look into their eyes in person, and feel for myself whether or not they are representative of the truth. It seems to me many ppl who had some form of programming are all coming out of the woodwork right now, and it makes you wonder why? Proph Last edited on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 06:29 am by Proph ____________________ "Do not be too timid or squeamish about your actions, all life is an experiment." Ralph Waldo Emerson |
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GertrudaRose Hyperspace Warrior
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That's a very interesting question, Proph. If I speculate on the answer, according to the rule of Occam's Razor it's because TPTB want them to.
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GeeGee Hyperspace Warrior
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Well you can believe whatever you want Proph. IMO he is doing the right thing by not saying things about other people.
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crystalsun Hyperspace Warrior 
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I thought Val Valerian had onsold the Trufax website years ago and it was now being run by someone else. Could be wrong but that's what I heard at least five years ago now. Regardless, the site is an absolute mine of information and knowledge and one could get lost in it for years. Some years ago he published Alex Collier's information in a book titled (Defending Sacred Ground). This was done without Collier's permission. However, I find it absolutely stunning that many on this forum blindly follow whatever "Stewart" says. The guy is STILL CIA! Remember that Montauk was closed down by the government and secretly re-opened by the scientists and military. He took part in the project and having met the man, am of the opinion that whatever deceit he accuses Valerian of, you can certainly double for him. If that bursts your bubble or offends your belief, tough. Open your eyes people!
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