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ShadowRunner Hyperspace Warrior 
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icke and alex are like best friends now. icke was recently on the alex jones show and alex, at the beginning of the show said he agreed with 99% of what david icke says, and the other 1% he wouldn't be surprized if it was real. (because as alex said, we are afterall, all on a rock flying through space, anything is possible). also awhile back on c2c mr jones admitted he believed aliens had visited earth in the ancient past and their may be some connection to the NWO, he says he just doesnt delve into this type of information, because the average person cannot comprehend it. this is a huge change in mind pattern for mr jones. ps has anyone heard the Bill Hicks = Alex Jones Conspiracy theory, it's quite compelling. i have a funny feeling Stewart is advising alex jones and helping him with some of his problems. also mr icke, who will not remain anonymous, has been giving lectures in gigantic pyramid shaped buildings. this may seem odd to some of ickes long time readers as mr icke has spoken for years about esoteric architecture and the energy fields they create. icke never mentions the pyramid shaped building in his lectures, and people in the audience have been getting ill. strange days, stranger times ahead.
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ShadowRunner Hyperspace Warrior
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there's something fishy about Alex Jones on a Live TV Fox Round table discussion, hosted by Geraldo Rivera, and all the elite, stepford guests agree with him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt6O0ruFmfE&feature=related
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ShadowRunner Hyperspace Warrior
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the alex jones = bill hicks conspiriacy theoy is quite crazy. it goes something like this. alex jones, has no history of being alive before bill hicks came onto the scene. their facial features are nearly identical, if looked at under a microscope, over the early years in their conspiracy careers. one day bill hicks died, the next day after, alex jones was born. i was the first person on the internet to examine a possible mkultra, mind control, multiple personality disorder change theory. a few years ago, this caused quite a stir on the david icke forum, godlikeproductions ect. today, nothing much is happening, alex is creating quite a stir and is allowed on fox news every once and awhile.
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ShadowRunner Hyperspace Warrior
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http://www.nw0.info/ download infowars episodes here great website. special website.s
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Mercy Now Hyperspace Warrior
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I think there's something even more fishy about Icke running for public office.What happened to "All elections are fixed and controlled.You are wasting your time by voting." They are all network. They mesh. You begin to see through one of them and another is there to catch you. It's very insidious .That's how it works. All in an effort to murder any remaining Christ energy on this planet. Last edited on Mon Jul 14th, 2008 03:13 pm by Mercy Now ____________________ What profit a man to gain the whole world yet loose his soul? ALL THAT YOU HAVE IS YOUR SOUL |
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The reason people in the public like Icke and Jones are alive is they are either deemed not a threat or are programmed to carry out the Illuminati agenda. People who tell the truth are murdered like Phil Schneider was.
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Carissa C. Hyperspace Warrior 
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When it comes to conspiracy theories, I always feel that people should back up their statements with some sort of proof..... 1. "No history of being alive before Bill Hicks came onto the scene." ....In this case, you would have to show your reading audience that there is literally, no birth certificate on record for Alex Jones in Texas, no school records of him, whether grammar, middle, high school or college, no record of family, and that nobody out in the world can prove that they knew him when he was growing up and in school in any capacity. Do you have any proof for any of this, something you could share? It seems far fetched to me that this information doesn't exist. Alex has a whole Wiki page full of personal information, including what hospital he was born at, what schools he went to and what his nickname in college was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio) ...which would seem to me to contradict.... 2. "Their facial features are nearly identical, if looked at under a microscope, over the early years in their conspiracy careers." They're close, definitely, but you can clearly see that they are two different people. Bill Hicks' lips are slightly bigger and more defined than Alex's. Bill Hicks' eyebrows are also slightly thicker, and of a slightly different shape. Also slightly different noses. But yes, they definitely look similar, no doubt about it. Also, another thing worth noting is that in my opinion, their voices are nothing alike. But, others may disagree...... 3. "one day bill hicks died, the next day after, alex jones was born." Bill Hicks died February 26, 1994. So are you saying Alex Jones' first broadcast was February 27, 1994? And again, this ties into whether anybody out there can verify Alex Jones' birth in February 1974 in Dallas, his school records, etc. Because Bill Hicks was born in 1961, and Jones in 1974. One is clearly younger than the other, and so there should be records and people who can verify that they knew Alex Jones during the years he was supposed to have been in high school and college, etc. Bill Hicks would have long been out of school by the time Jones was in school. The only reason I even considered the possibility of this theory is because I've noted on another forum that Alex Jones looks WAY older than somebody born in 1974. I mean, I'M born in 1974, and I look years younger than him. The first time Jones came to my attention in 2002, I seriously thought the dude was 40 years old, minimum. That's what I noted on another forum. I couldn't believe it when I found out he was only 9 months older than me. Buuuuut...if he was born in 1961 like Bill Hicks was, then well...........Alex Jones really would have been about 40 at the time I first saw him in 2002.  He would have been 41.And it is interesting that Bill Hicks' family settled in Houston, Texas when he was 7, according to Wiki, and Alex was born in Dallas. dun dun DUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNN!   But in all seriousness I don't think they're one and the same, and I think if one dug around, they'd be able to get their hands on birth and school records for Alex, including people who knew him and could verify his own, independent existence. If someone tried to do that though and came up empty handed, well, then you just might have a case...... Last edited on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 11:10 pm by Carissa C. |
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ShadowRunner Hyperspace Warrior
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"When it comes to conspiracy theories, I always feel that people should back up their statements with some sort of proof....." there is enough circumstantial and speculative evidence for it to be considered a conspiracy theory or a conspiracy possibility. believe me, nothing on this thread thus far even delves into the evidence, there is pages and pages of it. most of i researched and wrote and was erased from the internet when the old david icke forum was taken down. "1. "No history of being alive before Bill Hicks came onto the scene." ....In this case, you would have to show your reading audience that there is literally, no birth certificate on record for Alex Jones in Texas, no school records of him, whether grammar, middle, high school or college, no record of family, and that nobody out in the world can prove that they knew him when he was growing up and in school in any capacity. Do you have any proof for any of this, something you could share? It seems far fetched to me that this information doesn't exist. Alex has a whole Wiki page full of personal information, including what hospital he was born at, what schools he went to and what his nickname in college was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio) ...which would seem to me to contradict...." actually i think it would be up to you to prove to me, alex jones existed before bill hicks died. so far i have seen no evidence. a birth certificate, especially one written about on wikipedia is not conclusive evidence. not good enough. that's almost as good as the other debunker.... 'i used to work at the Public Access TV station in Austin Texas, and i saw Alex Jones and Bill Hicks in the same room' sure ya did, and i saw the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus sharing a dinner table at the Red Lobster. "2. "Their facial features are nearly identical, if looked at under a microscope, over the early years in their conspiracy careers." They're close, definitely, but you can clearly see that they are two different people. Bill Hicks' lips are slightly bigger and more defined than Alex's. Bill Hicks' eyebrows are also slightly thicker, and of a slightly different shape. Also slightly different noses. But yes, they definitely look similar, no doubt about it. Also, another thing worth noting is that in my opinion, their voices are nothing alike. But, others may disagree......" Speculative at best. Myself and a few others have seen Bill Hicks in certain stages of his life and Alex Jones at certain points in his life, look nearly identical. They could be twins, and they very well might be, or cut from the same DNA in some kind of experiment. Texas is a hotspot for weird illuminati experimentation. There is also old video of Alex Jones, multiple times, breaking into a voice and accent and speech pattern nearly identical to that of mr bill hicks. It's so amazing, that if you only heard the audio, you would swear it was bill hicks. One must also consider plastic surgery, and multiple personalty disorder(where ones appearance, posture can change dramatically in a split second, moles can appear and disappear, if you are in the same room as someone that is triggered to make the switch, you'll swear that you're in the room with a completely different person) "3. "one day bill hicks died, the next day after, alex jones was born." Bill Hicks died February 26, 1994. So are you saying Alex Jones' first broadcast was February 27, 1994? And again, this ties into whether anybody out there can verify Alex Jones' birth in February 1974 in Dallas, his school records, etc. Because Bill Hicks was born in 1961, and Jones in 1974. One is clearly younger than the other, and so there should be records and people who can verify that they knew Alex Jones during the years he was supposed to have been in high school and college, etc. Bill Hicks would have long been out of school by the time Jones was in school." there is actually no proof bill hicks died. sometimes they 'officially' kill off the elite in the media(usually elite who were in the public spotlight), while in reality they're carted off to secret locations around the world and they live the remainder of their lives anonymously or with a new identity(they've fullfilled their illuminati missions). yes there should be people that can verify that they knew alex jones during the those years. to this day i haven't met one, have you ? even that though, wouldn't hold water, records can easily be faked and people can easily lie. "The only reason I even considered the possibility of this theory is because I've noted on another forum that Alex Jones looks WAY older than somebody born in 1974." So you've considered it, and you admit it's a possiblity. Alex Jones looks about, id say, 47 years old, holy crap, the same age Bill Hicks would be if he were alive today. If Alex Jones is really 34 years old then that means he would have had to make his first documentary when he was like 21, or 22 years old. Seems kinda young. Also there's video of Joe Rogan talking to Alex Jones in a Bar from 9, or 10 years ago when they first meet. Alex Jones tells Joe Rogan his age, and Rogan flat out doesn't believe him. Alex has to show Rogan his drivers license to convince him. Alex Say's "its because i work so much" I never met anyone who was in there mid 20's who looked 10-15 years older from working a lot. Alex is capable of making amazing physical transformations. One only needs to look of an old pic of him where he's shirtless and built like a professional body builder and has brown eyes. Today he's a 260lbs blob with blue eyes. Why is there so many pictures and videos of alex jones on the internet, but not a single one from before bill hicks died ?
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Carissa C. Hyperspace Warrior
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________ "actually i think it would be up to you to prove to me, alex jones existed before bill hicks died. so far i have seen no evidence. a birth certificate, especially one written about on wikipedia is not conclusive evidence. not good enough." ________ Well, I'm not the one proposing this theory.....you are. So, since you're the one throwing this out there for the public's consideration it makes sense that you should also include some sort of back up to bolster your theory and give credance to what you're saying. This isn't the same thing as a court of law, where it's up to the accused - or the skeptical - to disprove the charges against them, the whole "burden of proof" thing. But that's what it sounds like you're doing here. With that sort of logic, anybody can say or claim anything about anybody else and it should be automatically believed....unless the accused/libeled/slandered can clear their own name. ! But if not, then by default it should be considered true. I think that's a bit whacky, personally. You're making some big claims - that "Alex Jones had no history of being alive before Bill Hicks came onto the scene." And I'm thinking a statement like that should be backed up. You obviously came up with it some how........well, how? What makes you say that? I don't think it's unreasonable to ask. I realize this is the internet, so people can sit behind their computers in safe anonyminity and say whatever they want about anybody without fear of retribution or having to put their money where their mouth is, because that's the new world we live in nowadays. Buuuut....some claims should be backed up. It shouldn't be a case where you can say whatever you want about somebody from the safe anonymous confines of your computer....then put the "burden of proof" on the target. It's behavior like that that gives the conspiracy/truth seeking circles a bad name. That's exactly the sort of behavior that runs rampant on the Godlike Productions and David Icke forums, one of the many things that are wrong with those forums. ________ "Speculative at best." ________ Well, I think what you're proposing is "speculative at best," considering you're not really supplying any proof for your theory. But that's just me. I happen to think that both men don't look the same. I can see clear differences. _______ "There is also old video of Alex Jones, multiple times, breaking into a voice and accent and speech pattern nearly identical to that of mr bill hicks. It's so amazing, that if you only heard the audio, you would swear it was bill hicks." _______ Do you have a copy of this, or a link you could post so we could hear? I'd be very curious myself. Maybe others would too. Talk about bolstering your case....audio clips that you could provide of Alex Jones not sounding like Alex Jones, or slipping in and out of voices/accents would be absolutely facinating. _______ "One must also consider plastic surgery, and multiple personalty disorder(where ones appearance, posture can change dramatically in a split second, moles can appear and disappear, if you are in the same room as someone that is triggered to make the switch, you'll swear that you're in the room with a completely different person) ________ Even though I believe in mind control, multiple personality disorder, conspiracies and all the rest, I still personally think this is reaching in this case. BUT...I could be wrong. _______ there is actually no proof bill hicks died. sometimes they 'officially' kill off the elite in the media(usually elite who were in the public spotlight), while in reality they're carted off to secret locations around the world and they live the remainder of their lives anonymously or with a new identity(they've fullfilled their illuminati missions). yes there should be people that can verify that they knew alex jones during the those years. to this day i haven't met one, have you ? even that though, wouldn't hold water, records can easily be faked and people can easily lie. _____________ But............you didn't answer my question. Are you saying then, that Alex Jones quite literally had his first broadcast the very next day after Bill Hicks died? February 27, 1994? Because you said, one day Bill Hicks died, and the next day, Alex Jones was born. I did research on the 'net trying to track down Alex Jones' first broadcast date and couldn't find an exact first air date. Do you happen to know what it was, and is that what you were talking about? _______ " So you've considered it, and you admit it's a possiblity." _______ I considered it at first based on the way Alex doesn't seem to look his age. But do I still admit it's a possibility? No. Not unless somebody can back up any of these claims. So I leave off with this proposition: Instead of Alex Jones being Bill Hicks, how about, maybe he's just not who he's claiming to be. I could buy that one, because nothing in this world is what it seems to be. But I don't buy at this point that he and Bill Hicks are one and the same, again, unless anybody can provide better evidence to prove that theory. When it comes to stuff like this it's probably better to leave your options open. Being so set on trying to convince people on multiple forums that Alex is really Bill, that's it, the only limited option for what's going on, is a little suspicious. Last edited on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 01:14 am by Carissa C. |
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ShadowRunner Hyperspace Warrior
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ive never tried to convince anyone that alex jones really is bill hicks, it's a theory ive had and consider it a possibility. in my opinion there is loads of circumstantial and speculative evidence, the more i look into it, the more i find. it's not something i necessarily believe myself, it's something ive spent a very small amount of time looking into and entertaining. i put the call out for someone to show me some evidence that alex jones was around before hicks died, and to this day i haven't seen anything concrete. i would probably be happy with a high school year book picture. i certainly won't play the 'show me the proof' abovetopsecret reindeer games.
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ShadowRunner Hyperspace Warrior
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here's what may have happened. One day they killed off the Bill Hicks personality and overnight he transformed into the bad ass, blood red american super patriot(and fundie christian) and leader of the alternative media movement and free people of the world Alex Jones
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ShadowRunner Hyperspace Warrior
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david ickes big brother speech is number 1 on google video, people are watching
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Carissa C. Hyperspace Warrior
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"here's what may have happened. One day they killed off the Bill Hicks personality and overnight he transformed into the bad ass, blood red american super patriot(and fundie christian) and leader of the alternative media movement and free people of the world Alex Jones." _____ I know......I got that part already. But I still don't believe it, because there's a total lack of evidence proving or showing this. _______ "i put the call out for someone to show me some evidence that alex jones was around before hicks died, and to this day i haven't seen anything concrete. i would probably be happy with a high school year book picture. _____ Well, according to Wiki, here's the hopsital he was born at: Parkland Hospital, Dallas, TX And he attended: Anderson High School in Austin, TX and Austin Community College If you're really serious about this call out to get proof that Alex existed prior to Bill Hicks, well, there's your start. You could call/email/fax/write the hospital he was born at, and call/email/fax/write the schools he attended. It shouldn't be that hard. Here, I'll even provide the numbers for you, I'll do the homework for you via searching on the 'net: Parkland Hospital, Dallas: http://www.parklandhospital.com/ 5201 Harry Hines Boulevard, Dallas, TX 75235 214.590.8000 es Blvd., Dallas, Texas 75235 | 214.590.8000 Anderson High School, Austin: http://www.andersonptsa.com/ 8403 Mesa Drive, Austin, TX Attendance Office: 512. 414. 7909 and 512. 414. 7915 Main office: 512. 414. 2538 Fax: 512.338.1293 Attendance office could be a good place to start for this one! Austin Community College, Austin: http://www.austincc.edu/ 512-223-7000 5930 Middle Fiskville Rd. Austin, TX 78752 It's a start. And being that you've put the call out on at least three forums now, according to what you said, then it's obviously a big enough issue to be worth contacting these sources to finally get the information you seek. _____ i certainly won't play the 'show me the proof' abovetopsecret reindeer games." _____ Oh, well it seemed that way, only because you said: "actually i think it would be up to you to prove to me, alex jones existed before bill hicks died." ! Also, it seems you still haven't answered the question about whether you're saying that Alex Jones literally started broadcasting on February 27, 1994 when you said: " "one day bill hicks died, the next day after, alex jones was born." I've been trying to find this out now for three posts, but it's been dodged each time. I couldn't find a definitive broadcasting start date for Alex. Do you happen to know for certain that 2/27/94 is the date? For me, I'd be willing to believe the idea that Alex Jones may not be who he seems to be, that he could very well be knowingly working for "stuff." Or at least be mind controlled to be a pawn of "stuff," unknown to him, and that's why he's allowed to be out there, doing what he does for so long. I wouldn't claim it definitively though unless I had proof. Also, my boyfriend found an early picture of Alex on Alex's own MySpace, and he doesn't look like Bill Hicks, either early years or later. It's one of Alex's bodybuilder pics. Not only is the face different from Bill's (thinner lips, etc. as already mentioned) but there's no way Bill Hicks EVER looked like that, even in his early years. ;D And again, what your theory proposes is that Alex used to be Bill. So, their bodies/looks should overlap. Well according to this pic, they clearly don't. Alex was a lot thinner than Bill and more in shape. Bill was a notorious bad eater, heavy drinker and big time smoker who did not exercise, so he was, according to one of his own routines, "pale and wan." Pale, puffy, out of shape and wan. Definitely no bodybuilder! Last edited on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 02:33 am by Carissa C. |
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ShadowRunner Hyperspace Warrior
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maybe you should call, you seem more concerned about this then I. not that they'd be giving out personal information over the phone. paper or computer records are again, also, easily faked. where was bill hicks when aj was supposedly going to anderson high school? maybe the bill hicks personality was triggered and he was a high school student during the day, and at night was on the comedy club circuit. these people under specific programming are known to live their lives off of little to no sleep and have day and night lives which are completely opposite. if you're serious about seeing some concrete evidence, check this out......this might be the smoking gun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc
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Carissa C. Hyperspace Warrior
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"maybe you should call, you seem more concerned about this then I." Well, you are the one talking about this on at least three different forums, not me. But possibly I'm the only person on those three forums who's questioned what you're saying, and asking for some sort of actual proof to back up the wild claims.....? Which btw, there's nothing wrong with. I wish more people would do this on the internet, as we see so many people out there doing what you're doing here. Admittedly, I do have a problem with the increasing number of people we're seeing on message board forums who feel they can claim whatever wild claims they want about anybody....and never have to back it up. It's so....Weekly World News. "not that they'd be giving out personal information over the phone. paper or computer" You'll never know unless you try....right? You'd be surprised what you can turn up if you try hard enough...if you're actually serious in your call out, that is. (And one would think that since you've put this call out to three different forums, then you certainly must be serious....?) ____ "records are again, also, easily faked." ____ True, they are. So, are you saying that even if someone did provide you with proof you wouldn't be willing to accept it, because "records are easily faked"? If so, then it sounds to me that instead of objectively considering a theory and being open to the idea that it could be wrong, you're actually firmly rooted in it....and have already decided that no proof would actually suffice. ____ where was bill hicks when aj was supposedly going to anderson high school? maybe the bill hicks personality was triggered and he was a high school student during the day, and at night was on the comedy club circuit." ____ ? This doesn't even make any sense. Bill Hicks was born in 1961. And nobody is disputing Bill Hicks' birthdate/age, identity. How could Bill have passed for a highschooler at the time Alex was supposedly in high school? He would have been 28-32 years old by that point. And then if we're trying to say here that Alex Jones did not attend Anderson High School during the time period he should have, which would be roughly 1989-1993 since he was born in 1974, then that means he would have attended high school around '75-79. So we're back to that again. And that's something you can easily verify by calling the highschool. They put out yearbooks, so it's not like it's some deep dark secret about who attends school. That's public information. They could confirm that, yes or no, I'm sure. But by this point I think you're seriously reaching anyway. Things are getting more and more screwball with every passing post. (looks down, to see if leg is being pulled.......) ____ "these people under specific programming are known to live their lives off of little to no sleep and have day and night lives which are completely opposite." ____ Maybe so, but again, it sounds as if you are in fact firmly rooted in this theory and have already made up your mind about what's really going on..... _____ "if you're serious about seeing some concrete evidence, check this out......this might be the smoking gun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc _______ A little confused about what Chris Crocker's "Leave Britney Alone" video has to do with Bill Hicks or Alex Jones and how it's a "smoking gun." (looks down at leg....VERY sure that someone is pulling it by this point......!)
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ShadowRunner Hyperspace Warrior
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you sound like one of those abovetopsecret.com moderators they're big into  over there, which is why i left it years ago. and you're also trying to bait me into a debate i'm not interested in. believe me i have pages and pages of evidence to back up my wild claims on this topic, but i aint diggin it up fer you.alex jones = bill hicks deal with it 
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Carissa C. Hyperspace Warrior
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"you sound like one of those abovetopsecret.com moderators they're big into over there, which is why i left it years ago." ___ Never participated or read "above top secret." Although you keep mentioning them, which is interesting. I also haven't said or posted anything having to do with censorship. Not sure what you're referring to there. "and you're also trying to bait me into a debate i'm not interested in." _____ It's your thread. You started it, and made claims. So, I'm responding and asking questions about some of those claims, looking for clarification and stuff that backs up what you're saying. Nothing abnormal there. I guess you're just not used to people actually doing that. And some of the questions you still haven't answered yet. ! "believe me i have pages and pages of evidence to back up my wild claims on this topic, but i aint diggin it up fer you." _____ Sure you do. "Alex jones = bill hicks deal with it "______ Oh.....but.....I thought you said: "ive never tried to convince anyone that alex jones really is bill hicks, it's a theory ive had and consider it a possibility. [...] it's not something i necessarily believe myself, it's something ive spent a very small amount of time looking into and entertaining." By this point in the thread I think it's kind of clear what your deal is and where you're coming from. So, adios.... Last edited on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 04:42 am by Carissa C. |
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This to me is a very good debate! 
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