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Richard Seeker 
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David Watts A LARGE American spy satellite has lost power and is expected to crash back to Earth sometime late next month. The 10-ton satellite’s controllers admit that they do not know where it might come down and they have no way of controlling the return of a vehicle which may contain hazardous materials. “Numerous satellites over the years have come out of orbit and fallen harmlessly,” said Gordon Johndroe, a spokesman for the US National Security Council. “We are looking at all potential options to mitigate any possible damage that this satellite may cause.” Governments around the world have been warned of the satellite’s plight. The spokesman refused to speculate on the possibility that the satellite may be shot down by a missile to prevent any debris causing damage. If the US government elected not to use that method to destroy the errant satellite, then it could opt instead to employ America’s new laser weapons for use against incoming missiles, which are now being tested on board a modified Boeing jumbo jet. Falling satellites and their trajectories can usually be predicted well in advance and airlines notified. The lack of certainty over the reentry location of this dying spy in the sky, not to mention the risk from any poisonous materials that it may be carrying, underlines the threat the satellite poses as it plunges from its orbit 100 miles above the Earth. Last year 270 passengers on board an airliner above the Pacific had a lucky escape when the wreckage of a blazing Russian satellite narrowly missed their aircraft. Pilots of the Latin American Airbus A340 saw the fiery debris streaking through the darkness directly ahead of them. The wreckage caused a sonic boom, which temporarily drowned out the noise of the jet’s four engines. The near-disaster happened about four hours southwest of Auckland, New Zealand, and air traffic controllers quickly realised that the flaming wreckage was what remained of a communications satellite that had not been due to enter the Earth’s atmosphere for a further 12 hours. The Pacific area is favoured for bringing satellites to Earth because of the relatively light population. The largest uncontrolled reentry of a Nasa spacecraft from space orbit was Skylab, the 78-ton space station that fell back to Earth in 1979. The debris from the station fell across the Indian Ocean and a remote part of Western Australia. There were no reported injuries or damage from Skylab. In 2000 Nasa engineers successfully directed a safe return from orbit of the 17-ton Compton Gamma Ray Observatory using rockets on board the satellite to bring it down in a remote part of the Pacific. The difficulty or predicting reentry was reinforced two years later when debris from a science satellite crashed onto the Earth’s surface several thousand miles from where it had been expected to impact. Elements of the 7,000lb satellite rained down over the Gulf. Fortunately there was no reported injury to life or property. The most dangerous satellite disaster came in January 1978 when a fireball streaked through the skies of western Canada, heralding the demise of a Russian spy satellite. The remains of the satellite came down over Great Slave Lake and fell across the North West Territories, Alberta and Saskatchewan spreading mildly toxic radioactive waste. In the subsequent furore the then Canadian prime minister, Pierre Trudeau, accused the United States of failing to warn the Ottawa government of the impending danger. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article3258166.ece
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Moon Child Hyperspace Warrior 
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There is talk that they have not lost control of the satellite and aim to direct it on a target.If it's carrying hazardous material,that could be a problem.
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Richard Seeker
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U.S. plans to shoot down spy satellite Last Updated: Thursday, February 14, 2008 | 4:13 PM ET CBC News The U.S. will shoot down a damaged spy satellite expected to hit Earth in early March, officials said at a news conference Thursday. The satellite, launched in December 2006 and weighing more than 2,000 kilograms, lost power almost immediately and never reached its final orbit. President George W. Bush, acting on advice of security officials, has decided to try to shoot down the satellite before it enters Earth's atmosphere. Officials said a missile would be fired from a U.S. navy cruiser off Hawaii next week at the earliest. The officials said downing the satellite would help ensure it landed in an unpopulated area and help destroy the satellite's thruster tanks. The tanks contain a toxic rocket fuel called hydrazine, which can harm anyone who comes in contact with it, causing a burning sensation similar to chlorine. Deputy national security adviser James Jeffrey said that if the satellite impacted on land, the hydrazine could spread to an area as large as two football fields. "The likelihood of it falling in a populated area is small. But there was enough of a risk that the president asked us to review our options," said Jeffrey. In addition to safety concerns, U.S. officials told the Associated Press earlier that they do not want the satellite to fall into the wrong hands, as it carries a sophisticated and secret imaging sensor. China drew criticism But Joint Chiefs of Staff vice-chairman Gen. James Cartwright denied that, saying classified technology is not an issue because the heating that would occur on re-entry would destroy any technology and "would not justify using a missile to shoot it down." NASA administrator Michael Griffin said the risks to the International Space Station and space shuttle Atlantis was negligible. It will be the first time the U.S. has ever attempted to shoot a spacecraft down with a surface-to-air missile, Cartwright said. Last year, China drew criticism from a host of countries, including the U.S., after it used a missile to shoot down an old weather satellite about 865 kilometres above the Earth. The move was widely viewed as one that could lead to the increasing militarization of space. Cartwright said this case is different because the U.S. is notifying countries and international organizations before attempting to knock out the satellite. He also said the plan to shoot it down as it enters the atmosphere will reduce the potential debris that remains in orbit. http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/02/14/tech-spy-crash.html
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William Moderator 
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Richard Seeker
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Russia tracks rogue U.S. satellite containing nuclear material -2 MOSCOW, February 15 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's Defense Ministry is closely monitoring a U.S. spy satellite that has gone out of control and may have nuclear material on board, a high-ranking defense source said on Friday. "The Defense Ministry is using its space surveillance systems to track the satellite's movement in orbit," he said. Russian military experts suggest the satellite could have an on board nuclear power source, a senior parliament member said. Igor Barinov, first deputy chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee, also expressed concern that the U.S. had made a unilateral decision to destroy the satellite. He said that decisions, which could jeopardize collective security, "should be made taking into account all parties concerned and all countries involved in space research." The U.S. Defense Department said Thursday it would shoot down the decaying satellite, which it earlier considered to be low risk. The department said the chances that the "uncontrollable U.S. experimental satellite" will hit a populated area are small, but "the potential consequences would be of enough concern to consider mitigating actions." The U.S. will attempt to shoot down the satellite using a Navy Standard Missile 3, U.S. officials said. They said the satellite will be shot down after the space shuttle Atlantis, which is in orbit, completes its mission and lands next week. NASA officials do not want to risk sending debris into the path of shuttle. Marine Corps Gen. James E. Cartwright, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said U.S. officials would attempt to hit the satellite at an altitude of 130 nautical miles, or just outside Earth's atmosphere, so that most of the debris would fall to Earth within two orbits. He said the window of opportunity for taking the satellite down would open in three or four days, and would last for about seven or eight days. If the missile shot is successful, much of the debris will burn up as it falls. The goal is to hit the fuel tank in order to minimize the amount of fuel that returns to Earth, Cartwright said. The satellite was launched in 2006 and malfunctioned almost immediately. On board is around 1,000 pounds of propellant fuel (hydrazine), a hazardous material. President George W Bush has authorized the destruction of the satellite using a sea-to-air missile within the next few days. Earlier the director of the Henry L. Stimson Center, which monitors space security and research Michael Krepon, said that the reasons given for shooting down the satellite were "unpersuasive," adding previous satellites that had gone out of control had not caused any damage. "The president has decided to take action to mitigate the risk to human lives by engaging the nonfunctioning satellite," the Defense Department explained in a news announcement. "Because our missile defense system is not designed to engage satellites, extraordinary measures have been taken to temporarily modify three sea-based tactical missiles and three ships to carry out the engagement." Several government agencies are involved in monitoring and planning for re-entry of the satellite. http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080215/99347040.html
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Polly Tree Hugger
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I am leaning towards the idea that this is really a weapons test and has nothing to do with safeguarding lives on the planet.
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Richard Seeker
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I saw a few news stories that talked about that possibility too. It sounds like it could be true.
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Polly Tree Hugger
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This is what I find so frustrating -- knowing that people are going to be recording this event with photography and I won't be able to see it as it actually, truthfully happens.
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marting Hyperspace Warrior 
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Found this article claiming there is a hybrid astronaut on board the satellite... http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=119104
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Polly Tree Hugger
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Hi Marting, I read that yesterday but didn't think it had any validity. What do you think of it?
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marting Hyperspace Warrior
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Well it's on Rumormillnews, so can't take it too seriously. Just thought it interesting as it made references to other topics under discussion on Hyperspace Cafe such as the staged alien invasion. Then again, hybrid aliens piloting a satellite is a lot less weird than a lot of other stuff I believe to be true.
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Polly Tree Hugger
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It originally came from Dr. Richard Boylan and I can't say I am a fan of his writings.  All sorts of theories have come out. That's what always happens.If there is some sort of technology on board this satellite that they want destroyed and are going to blow it to smithereens before it falls to earth, that makes some sense to me. And to test a weapon in space makes sense to me. What I find interesting is that they have stated the satellite never worked properly in the first place and could not be fixed from the ground. Sooooooooo, why didn't someone go up to fix it if it was so important?
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Polly Tree Hugger
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Now they are saying this [fated] satellite only weighs 5000 lbs. and Thursday is the day for the first attempt at shooting it. Can I have a live feed to this event? http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/02/18/satellite.intercept/index.html
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Polly Tree Hugger
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Tracking the satellite: http://www.n2yo.com/satellite.php?s=29651
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Polly Tree Hugger
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One more link. This one about being able to see the satellite with binoculars before it is anihilated. http://hamptonroads.com/2008/02/your-last-chances-get-glimpse-doomed-satellite
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Sily Von Sily d'Wily du Eden MD 
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Okay.... here's my 2¢ - - -> I'm not joking about this theory: It's probably some kind of ritual gesture. My guess is the date and exact time it's shot down is some how very symbolic to something. The position of the stars? The sun? Planets? Some grid or energy? What that something is, I have no clue. One of their Gods? Remembrance to a past sacrifice or ritual? The day that it is shot down (February 21st?) might be interesting to look up on wikipedia to see what other *nasty's* has occured on that date. Just for entertainment purposes, I'd love to see what Sorcha Faal's opinion is on this. Crazy as Faal's articles are I think there's some truth often hidden in the words. I am joking about this part: Now I'm not saying William has anything to do with the satellite trash and crash.... however..... there are 15 *m's* in his one response in this thread. He also posted on Feb 15th, 2008 08:51 am or 02.15.2008.08.51... which leads us to: mirror images here --> 02. 15.2008.08.51 mirror images here - -> 02.15.2008.08.51 mirror images here - - -> 02. 15.2008.08.51 So where I am going with all this? When the satellite is shot down the time and date will have mirror images in it OR 51, 15 or six!!
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Polly Tree Hugger
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Very good contribution, Sily. If the details are given when it is destroyed, the 21st or 22nd, you can check your theory against it. It should be interesting.
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Sily Von Sily d'Wily du Eden MD
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More thoughts floweth, Polly... see below...  :Stewart says in his News section that this has to do with the staged alien invasion -- that does make lots of sense. Like practice shooting, or imprinting in the public the image of shooting things in the sky with missiles. Almost seems like it's out of a science fiction movie, to me. CNN says here "The U.S. government issued a formal notice warning ships and planes to stay clear of a large area of the Pacific Ocean west of Hawaii. The notice says the two- and-a-half hour window begins 2:30 a.m. Thursday Greenwich Mean Time, which is 9:30 p.m. Wednesday on the East Coast, and 4:30 p.m. Wednesday in Hawaii." Well you know what is supposed to be going on at ten PM on the East Coast on Wednesday -- the eclipse. I think that's significant. That this might take place during the eclipse. The total phase will last 51-minutes and begins at 10:01 p.m. EST (7:01 p.m. PST). (there's the mirror images again and the numbers 51... )Goro says that the broken satellite is an "eye in the sky"..like the NASA Deep Impact's 'Eye of Horus' or... the 'All-Seeing Eye'. It's symbolic. Also the time of templar ressurection is involved. All I know for sure is Wednesday -- if it's not cloudy here -- I'm going to be outside watching the eclipse. If something happens and the shootdown is delayed a couple weeks, it will be interesting to see what day they pick to complete this "mission". Why west of Hawaii...  .. why not on top of GWB's Texas ranch? I'm not happy about Hawaii being involved at all. 
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Polly Tree Hugger
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Sily, to add a quick response for the moment and not to take away from your "floweth," one iota, Stewart wrote that it involves both the real and staged alien invasions. I'd say that duality is probably going to be prevalent from now on. More later, 'honey chile'......
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Polly Tree Hugger
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Kinetic kill vehicle (a non-explosive device) to hit satellite. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8UTLL4O0&show_article=1
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