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Richard Seeker 
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Charles Q. Choi Special to SPACE.com SPACE.com Fri Feb 29, 12:45 PM ET Mysteriously, five spacecraft that flew past the Earth have each displayed unexpected anomalies in their motions. These newfound enigmas join the so-called "Pioneer anomaly" as hints that unexplained forces may appear to act on spacecraft. A decade ago, after rigorous analyses, anomalies were seen with the identical Pioneer 10 and 11 spacecraft as they hurtled out of the solar system. Both seemed to experience a tiny but unexplained constant acceleration toward the sun. A host of explanations have been bandied about for the Pioneer anomaly. At times these are rooted in conventional science — perhaps leaks from the spacecraft have affected their trajectories. At times these are rooted in more speculative physics — maybe the law of gravity itself needs to be modified. Now Jet Propulsion Laboratory astronomer John Anderson and his colleagues — who originally helped uncover the Pioneer anomaly — have discovered that five spacecraft each raced either a tiny bit faster or slower than expected when they flew past the Earth en route to other parts of the solar system. 'Humble and perplexed' The researchers looked at six deep-space probes — Galileo I and II to Jupiter, the NEAR mission to the asteroid Eros, the Rosetta probe to a comet, Cassini to Saturn, and the MESSENGER craft to Mercury. Each spacecraft flew past the our planet to either gain or lose orbital energy in their quests to reach their eventual targets. In five of the six flybys, the scientists have confirmed anomalies. "I am feeling both humble and perplexed by this," said Anderson, who is now working as a retiree. "There is something very strange going on with spacecraft motions. We have no convincing explanation for either the Pioneer anomaly or the flyby anomaly." In the one probe the researchers did not confirm a noticeable anomaly with, MESSENGER, the spacecraft approached the Earth at about latitude 31 degrees north and receded from the Earth at about latitude 32 degrees south. "This near-perfect symmetry about the equator seemed to result in a very small velocity change, in contrast to the five other flybys," Anderson explained — so small no anomaly could be confirmed. The five other flybys involved flights whose incoming and outgoing trajectories were asymmetrical with each other in terms of their orientation with Earth's equator. For instance, the NEAR mission approached Earth at about latitude 20 south and receded from the planet at about latitude 72 south. The spacecraft then seemed to fly 13 millimeters per second faster than expected. While this is just one-millionth of that probe's total velocity, the precision of the velocity measurements was 0.1 millimeters per second, carried out as they were using radio waves bounced off the craft. This suggests the anomaly seen is real — and one needing an explanation. The fact this effect seems most evident with flybys most asymmetrical with respect to Earth's equator "suggests that the anomaly is related to Earth's rotation," Anderson said. As to whether these new anomalies are linked with the Pioneer anomaly, "I would be very surprised if we have discovered two independent spacecraft anomalies," Anderson told SPACE.com. "I suspect they are connected, but I really do not know." Unbound idea These anomalies might be effects we see with an object possessing a spacecraft's mass, between 660 and 2,200 lbs. (300 and 1,000 kg), Anderson speculated. "Another thing in common between the Pioneer and these flybys is what you would call an unbound orbit around a central body," Anderson said. "For instance, the Pioneers are flying out of the solar system — they're not bound to their central body, the sun. For the other flybys, the Earth is the central body. These kinds of orbits just don't occur very often in nature — it could be when you get into an unbound orbit around a central body, something goes on that's not in our standard models." The researchers are now collaborating with German colleagues to search for possible anomalies in the Rosetta probe's second flyby of the Earth on November 13. "We should continue to monitor spacecraft during Earth flybys. We should look carefully at newly recovered Pioneer data for more evidence of the Pioneer anomaly," Anderson added. "We should think about launching a dedicated mission on an escape trajectory from the solar system, just to look for anomalies in its motion." Montana State University physicist Ronald Hellings, who did not participate in this study, said, "There's definitely something going on. Whether that's because of new physics or some problem with the model we have is yet to be worked out, as far as I know. A lot of people are trying to look into this." Anderson and his colleagues will detail their latest findings in an upcoming issue of the journal Physical Review Letters. http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/nasabaffledbyunexplainedforceactingonspaceprobes&printer=1
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GeeGee Hyperspace Warrior
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I just showed this article to Stewart. He believes this is part of the SAI(staged alien invasion).
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Richard Seeker
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It is interesting that they came out with a story like this. They’re preparing the general public for something.
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Anu-021413 Hyperspace Warrior 
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My prediction... They'll loose contact with the probes, at some future point in time. It'll be explained away, but TPTB will now they've been "silenced." No more "Eyes on" for NASA...
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Rodrigo Soto Hyperspace Warrior 
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This anomaly has been explained in the book 'The Final Theory' which is the unified theory of everything (physical reality and how it holds together). The concept is, that the concept of gravity is based on the theory of "Expansions". How this could be described, is the same as the centrifugal force felt when in a powerful car, such as a v12, where the power of all combined makes the energy required for smooth momentum. Similar to a rocket and an astronaught stuck to their seats, and more specically, a 'lift', where when the lift goes upwards, you feel extra 'weight' on your feat, although when you look around, nothing has changed. How this works on a planetary/galactic/universal level, is that ALL mass expands. Objects do not 'fall' towards the earth, both 'grow' to connect at the centre of combined 'mass' (2D co-ordinates). So you have 'earth' and then the moon, and the centre of gravity for the obects, is the distance between the far end of the moon, and far end of earth. The centre point is what is inbetween. So now lets pretend that the moon is not orbiting, but instead its being attracted to earth directly to 'centre' between far end of moon and far end of earth. As BOTH objects expand in mass, the illusion is the appearance of the moon falling towards earth - its in relation to you, as you are on earth. If you are on the moon, you 'perceive' the earth is falling on the moon. So the Expansion theory is simply both objects that have mass expand to meet at the constant 'centre point' of far side of moon to far side of earth'. The constant 'new' centre point of gravity explains acceleration from 0 to current gravity velocity, to then becoming a fixed constant. Can anyone see this? So in essence, there is no big crunch, that will never happen with this theory, the universe is at a constant state of 'expansion' except that on a quantum level, the electron/neutrons/protrons and other particles, is also growing in size. So in comparison to say 24 hours ago, you are actuall 'physically' thousands if not millions of times larger than before. You don't see it, because everything around you which is made of quantum particles has also changed. So the reason your feet are planted into the ground, is simply because Earth is pushing you into the vastness of 'space'. You're not sinking into it, earth is actually pushing you away. Also trying to visualise a small object 'growing' in comparison to earth. The expansion equation is not the same for all mass involved. A body at a distance, the rate of expansion is much less than that of earth. The 'perception' is simply a body accelerating to earth (new centre point of gravity). This also explains electrical current, because 'electricity' is the simple electrons 'expanding' in size. And since an electron is next to an electron, they push at an exponential rate. And since there are 'trillions' of electrons in less than a centremetre of wiring, the current creates electrons to expand, and thus the 'movement' of current which is described as the charge. This is the very reason for the magnetic effects on earth, and when you place a magnet under paper and see the formation of lead particles forming a nice warped shape. Its the constant expansion/contraction of electron as they pass each other on a Quantum level in 3 Dimensional space. I can only imagine that this very theory can now make new energy producing devices. Free Energy is now available, one theory I had was speakers that point towards the sun, and the 'vibration' of photonic energy as it hits the 'speaker' will make it vibrate. That vibration can create electricity, even on the smallest scale, yet a lot more powerful than current day Solar Panels. The specifics I do not know, but I know it can be done. This is now in the open, so it cannot be misused, and should cause some sort of butterfly effect in the way power can be used in public domain, and have the necessary energy required for vehicles, so as not to use oil for petrol consumption. Consider this peak oil theory if real, totally negated as now no oil is needed. Rodrigo
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Rodrigo Soto Hyperspace Warrior
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PS, Orbit is explained when two objects of mass (and lets use identical mass for example), as vertically, one is higher than the other, and as they get closer, both objects increase in mass and thus illusion of 'orbit' starting. The electron transference between both objects create a constant 'orbit' around each other, and thus the reality of a Binary Star system. Trinary star system can be proven/disproven with this theory, but haven't worked on it yet as its not really that important right now. Rodrigo The Final Theory: Rethinking Our Scientific Legacy http://www.thefinaltheory.com Author: Mark McCutcheon ISBN: 1-58112-601-8
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Rodrigo Soto Hyperspace Warrior
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Was just looking through some documentation, and realised that I have public released records of Tesla Patents used in our daily lives, some seriously peaceful frequency is emanating from the digital media, totally amazing!!! Rodrigo
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Rodrigo Soto Hyperspace Warrior
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Just to make certain, the 3 posts above this one is under protection from Heavenly Father and anyone trying to attain and misuse technology will have their negativity reflected unto them. Mother Earth is needed to fix current situation, so holding back on ALL progress of physical development of technology until earth has purged negative emotions, and started healing. When the time is right, this information will become public knowledge. Also, at the time being, not wanting financial rewards for this, so have decided to allow necessary protection so no misuse and abuse, as well as governing body in charge of details to provide to the world freely, simply because its to better mankind, and money won't matter in future anyway. Talking to a designer of natural energetic devices (windmills, solar) who designed Ford Falcon engines previously, just a few KMS down the road. Supporting energy would be great, however you feel that is needed to manifest his ears to listen and my voice to be heard. Love Rodrigo Leopoldo Soto Last edited on Fri Mar 28th, 2008 11:33 pm by Rodrigo Soto ____________________ There is no eye equal to wisdom, no darkness equal to ignorance, no power equal to the power of the spirit, and no terror equal to the poverty of consciousness. |
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GeeGee Hyperspace Warrior
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While I agree that sounds like a good explanation, I'm sure it is not the case. This just seems like another story to stimulate the minds of the public to accept the possibility of it being acted upon by aliens.
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Anu-021413 Hyperspace Warrior
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GeeGee wrote: While I agree that sounds like a good explanation, I'm sure it is not the case. This just seems like another story to stimulate the minds of the public to accept the possibility of it being acted upon by aliens. True. Acted upon as in hit a patch of space dust,and umm er exploded/went waay off course etc. Especially since one has a very very large nuke payload onboard. I wonder if you'll see it with a telescope like say, the Hubble...
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Rodrigo Soto Hyperspace Warrior
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yes well, it is a 'Theory' none the less, and so are Einsteins theories, otherwise it would be called 'The Fact of Special Relativity' and not 'The Theory of Special Relativity'. lol 
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Anu-021413 Hyperspace Warrior
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So I see the Rosetta sat,found two asteroids,and then went offline the closer it got. Hmmmmm.
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Pallas Hyperspace Warrior 
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"How this works on a planetary/galactic/universal level, is that ALL mass expands. Objects do not 'fall' towards the earth, both 'grow' to connect at the centre of combined 'mass' (2D co-ordinates). So you have 'earth' and then the moon, and the centre of gravity for the obects, is the distance between the far end of the moon, and far end of earth. The centre point is what is inbetween." The physics of this is very interesting, but what really fascinates me is that it sounds like a scientific justification for the astrological use of planetary midpoints.
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Anu-021413 Hyperspace Warrior
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Pallas wrote: "How this works on a planetary/galactic/universal level, is that ALL mass expands. Objects do not 'fall' towards the earth, both 'grow' to connect at the centre of combined 'mass' (2D co-ordinates). So you have 'earth' and then the moon, and the centre of gravity for the obects, is the distance between the far end of the moon, and far end of earth. The centre point is what is inbetween."Huh?
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Pallas Hyperspace Warrior
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Anu-021413 wrote: Pallas wrote:"How this works on a planetary/galactic/universal level, is that ALL mass expands. Objects do not 'fall' towards the earth, both 'grow' to connect at the centre of combined 'mass' (2D co-ordinates). So you have 'earth' and then the moon, and the centre of gravity for the obects, is the distance between the far end of the moon, and far end of earth. The centre point is what is inbetween."Huh? In astrology, a midpoint is a spatial point of sensitivity that lies between planets and blends their respective energies. Some schools of astrology view these points as being similar in significance to planets. OK, maybe it's dumb to try to relate the gravitational theory of expansions Rodrigo wrote about to astrology, but I was struck by the connection.
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Anu-021413 Hyperspace Warrior
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Ok,I think I understand you now.
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